You guys know that I give props to anyone that’s out there doing it. I can usually find value in most guys kicking some pickup shit. (except Jordan Harbinger from Art of Charm – that dude is clueless)

I generally like Todd, but he’s a bit boring.

This particular set – the fucker is delusional.

So he is in NYC. (probably Manhattan, but that could be Brooklyn)

Talks to some random white chick (not the goodlooking Latina in the thumbnail).

She’s wearing high waisted pants – so either she’s hot a fuck and can ruin her figure by looking bad – or she’s just another basic bitch.  Her hair and outfit are not flattering, and the accent is not doing her any favors.  But maybe I just don’t have good taste in white wimmenz.

His opener is, “What are you doing in MY city?

This shit immediately goes south, because the chick is FROM NEW YORK.

If you’re from NYC – you’re not from New York – you’re from your specific neighborhood/or borough.  I’d say to chicks, FRANKLIN AVENUE POSSE BITCH!

Lemme explain this opener.

The idea behind these sort of “ownership” type opener is that you’re coming in at “higher value”.

“Oh, this guy is challenging me, he must be of “high value” – because most guys kiss my ass – therefore…”

^^That’s what these fuckers will tell you. Treat a chick lower than you – and you must be higher. This is actually worse than a neg – because you will make ROOKIE mistakes, like he did.

And this is one of the big problems with Mystery Method/RSD derived game – this idea of value. Like a guy of a certain “value” can just show that value and a bitch is intrigued.

Fuck no.

And that’s one of the advantages of being Black/Latino/Minority/Real Game Aware White Guy. We realize that our bosses, politicians, cops, anyone with actual power over our lives – their value is illusory.

“With a fake-ass badge and a gun in your hand. But take off the gun so you can see what’s up. And we’ll go at it, punk, and I’ma fuck you up!”

https://youtu.be/9jOqOlETcRU

(That’s from Fuck the Police by NWA for you lurking white dudes.)

Indeed, if you’re lucky enough to have been brought up in a black neighborhood – you’ve seen the finest bitches get caught up in the most trifling shit. That phat ass gives her ZERO super powers. She can and will get fucked and FUCKED like anyone else. She can’t really tell a boss from a worker (or a square) just by talking to a dude. She thinks she can, but she can’t.

Back to value.

Your only “value” to a chick when you talk to her – is how you’re making her feel.

So Todd makes a transplant mistake in assuming the broad is a transplant too.  He is claiming true like he is from NYC.  This bitch would know him, because like I said above, regular degula white people aren’t a big part of the city proper.  Jews sure.  Eastern Europeans, hell yeah.  Italians, fuhgeddaboutit.   But mainstream white people?  Naw, B.

He just doesn’t have the social awareness to realize how much he fucked up.  He’s not in her tribe.

….

It’s his explanation of why his opener bombed so hard.

He keeps teaching his students that this isn’t a fuck up – and he says the girl is adapting to his frame.

She keeps talking to him, so in that respect he’s right it wasn’t that bad…, but she keeps shitting on Colorado – and he’s the one qualifying himself to HER.

But that’s literally not what he says/does in the video.  He says she’s qualifying to him.

He thinks that she’s adapting to him. In White Boy PUA – he’s actually demonstrated lower value by being from a less cool place. This is something that Brad P (best NYC player that put out a product) used to talk about when he toured with his band. Wherever they went, he was from NYC, and NYC is just fucking cooler than any place else. (it’s not, but anyone from NYC has this superiority complex, that you end up agreeing with them, just to shut them the fuck up)

To his credit – the shit blows over – but he’s DELUSIONAL.
…

So after he basically brushes off her shitting on Colorado, he tries to reframe the thing by saying if she comes out with him, she’ll have to go skiing.

He thinks that he’s making fun of her for not skiing.
When in fact, she’s saying the only thing even somewhat interesting about his cowtown was watching someone else ski.

..So they get on this winter sports thing, and she says he needs to have gold medals. Blah, blah, blah then “American Flag”

Todd isn’t aware that she’s still clowning him. She looks him up and down and is laughing at him. (Typical NYC bitch, probably from Upper West Side – because white people that grew up in NYC, if they’re not ethnic white – they’re from the rich part of Manhattan – generally speaking)

He’s misinterpreting her – but not on purpose.

The funny thing is – the bitch breaks @ 10:00 minutes in.

She breaks when he compliments her.

She admits to being mean, and HE LETS HER OFF THE HOOK by reframing it.

But then she asks him a “girlfriend” question about how she looks.

He actually has a good energy to keep going with this. He reframes this in his mind – and keeps going forward with the pull.

He then tools her  a bit, and cut to commercial.

_____________

It’s actually an interesting infield – because despite his misunderstanding the social context – it looks as though he CONVERTED the chick.  (or so the footage seems to show)

But why and how he converted her is completely a mystery to him.

-Archie

These past ten months have been nothing but overtime.  Had you asked me ten years ago where I thought I would be…

I’ve had lots of jobs, a few careers, but what I do for money is analysis.

What I do for fun? Analysis.

I read other people’s analysis.  I analyze analysis.

If I believed in Myers Briggs, my rating as INTJ is spot on.

Enter the creepy girl.

If you are a fellow white collar cubicle drone looking at a screen and discerning patterns that a computer can’t yet find (or your company is too dumb or cheap to use machine learning) – you will notice that some of your fellow worker ants are shall we say socially challenged.

In men, well you know the signs.

Talks too much.

Talks in too much detail

Talks about unrelated things.

Doesn’t detect social cues.

Hygiene.  Volume. Appearance.

The social rules for men, largely unspoken, too long, too many, too complicated to explain – are easy to spot.

What of women?

Enter the creepy girl.

Some chicks are just off.  Spot them chicks a mile away.  Usually on the street.(I would go red pill,and talk about the gender disparity of homeless men versus homeless women…)

Some chicks are attractive enough, that their “quirks” are tolerated.

This chick?

Huge open office, everyone at their terminals.

A girl, a woman actually, in very modest dress, think one of those Christian sects that you see on TV handling snakes.  Long ankle length skirt, most of her skin covered up.  Her hair is beset by bobby pins.

She walks in, she looks around, arms folded.  She seems to be looking for someone, something, but never finds it.

You would not notice her, except that she seems to do this every 2 to 3 hours, every day.

So creepiness is seeing someone that looks odd and has odd behavior.

-Archie

1. You pick her up
2. You meet someplace centrally located
3. Meet closer to you
4. Meet closer to her
5. She picks you up
6. She drives over, and you drive her to the location

• You drive over.
• You send her a text/give her a call
• You walk up to her place
• Knock on the door.
• Maybe step into the foyer.
• Leave without going deeper into her home.
• Walk her to the car.
• Open her door.
• See if she even feigns an attempt to open your door – though hardly an issue in the days of keyless entry

“Rogers was extraordinarily good at imagining where children’s minds might go. “

I’ve been neglecting the site, not really adding much to the thread, and sharpening my book by dealing with the hordes of incels and autistics at Reddit.

It’s useful to me because it’s hard for me to know what I know when I talk to cats that are further along.

There is baseline socialization.  You have parents that love you, a few friends, you’ve gone through school, can hold a job, etc.  You have probably had a date, a girlfriend, but not necessarily.

What baseline socialization teaches you about connecting with women is that you need to look good and have resources.  I say this all the time, but it always bears repeating – the Pick Up Gurus of the 90’s and 00’s – realized that looking good and having resources was not important to making that connection.

They observed guys that looked good and had resources, but no women.

Some of them looked good and had resources, not no women.

Those that didn’t have looks or money, went out and got looks and money, but the pattern was the same – no women.

I’m going to throw some mythology onto the development of the original pick up – they backwards engineered what cools guys were DOING.  And it turns out that behavior was the thing that really attracted women and lead to those connections.

Technically, it was a bunch of guys doing the scientific method with applied psychology – sometimes they replicated what cool guys did, other times they came up with things that no legitimately cool guy would do – and it still worked – Palm Reading for instance.

But we saw what pick up did

• Style was still neurotic, and he chronicles that in The Truth
• Mystery got taken out by what we could call nowadays hypergamy.
• Tyler, who may or may not be autistic, basically had to reinvent himself.  And he’s since gone on to have to deal with some issues of his own creation.

That’s life.

I’ve been doing this way too long, and I don’t have all of the background and history 100% correct – but I can tell you that what these boys been talking about has never been Game, with a capital G.

Chances are if you’re a Black American, you’ve been exposed to a lot of game, but very little pickup.  Few of us have ever seen a real live pimp pull a square chick into his web, or seen a hustler convince folks at the salon that the Tide detergent fell off a truck.

I’ve only been privy to that on happenstance.  I could have easily been in another place those particular moments to see some real persuasion going down.

But as I got older and wiser, reading Pimp’s in their own words, reading about psychology, advertising, marketing, history, coaching, teaching, psychotherapy, confidence games…  it became very apparent to me what actual game was – and how some of it seeped it Pick Up, on the low.

My man Fred Rogers was a pimp at the HIGHEST LEVEL.

So when a pickup artist sees a chick at the bar, the sequence is simple.

Get her attention

First words to start that conversation.  Next set of words to make the conversation fun and interesting.  And the final set of words are meant to start banter.

From a deeper level – she may be startled or annoyed or indifferent.  He addresses that early on.  Then as she gets out of that emotional state, he captures her curiosity.  From there, he goes from neutral fun to chat, to one that is man to woman.   And the way I think about pick up, this isn’t discrete moments moving along in a linear fashion, but levels of degree throughout the first part of the pull.

Things written about the game tend to be of the “what to say” and “how to say it” mindset.  But the more you do it, “Why to say it” and “When to say it” end up being the difference between some bullshit on the page, and a chick admiring your book collection at your place.

As you get better though, shifting back to “What to say” becomes more important, because you can set things up with more finesse.

A player only does that after a bit of success, and the desire to refine.

Here’s the rules that Fred came up with.

1. “State the idea you wish to express as clearly as possible, and in terms preschoolers can understand.” Example: It is dangerous to play in the street. ​​​​​​
2. “Rephrase in a positive manner,” as in It is good to play where it is safe.
3. “Rephrase the idea, bearing in mind that preschoolers cannot yet make subtle distinctions and need to be redirected to authorities they trust.” As in, “Ask your parents where it is safe to play.”
4. “Rephrase your idea to eliminate all elements that could be considered prescriptive, directive, or instructive.” In the example, that’d mean getting rid of “ask”: Your parents will tell you where it is safe to play.
5. “Rephrase any element that suggests certainty.” That’d be “will”: Your parents can tell you where it is safe to play.
6. “Rephrase your idea to eliminate any element that may not apply to all children.” Not all children know their parents, so: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play.
7. “Add a simple motivational idea that gives preschoolers a reason to follow your advice.” Perhaps: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play. It is good to listen to them.
8. “Rephrase your new statement, repeating the first step.” “Good” represents a value judgment, so: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play. It is important to try to listen to them.
9. “Rephrase your idea a final time, relating it to some phase of development a preschooler can understand.” Maybe: Your favorite grown-ups can tell you where it is safe to play. It is important to try to listen to them, and listening is an important part of growing.

It goes back to Fred getting in the head of the children he was trying to teach.

I wouldn’t “find and replace” children with women in this case – but I would take this mindset of figuring out how Ms. Ombre Hair and Septum Ring with the Long Legs – approaches the world.

Which brings us back to the Game with a Capital G.  One of the more interesting things I’ve learned about Gentlemen of Leisure – is that the actual process of getting more money out of a customer is something he doesn’t teach.  He doesn’t problem solve for the girl – that puts him in her service.  His main chick is the one that does the problem solving when trying to explain the nuts and bolts to the other women in his employ. (Reminds me of work, lol)

That’s cool and all, but the level of abstraction up, is him thinking through his worker’s mindset and his own duties.  If he solves her problems, she will rely on him to do so.  If I gotta do your work and my work, my work suffers.

Shout to my man Fred.

Not all players wear gators

The Short Story of Beach Game

• Bulk during the cold months and cut during the warm months.
• Dress Right
• Walking to and from the Beach you have opportunities
• Boardwalk opportunities
• Sand opportunities
• Water Opportunities
• Have a damn plan to get them to someplace with some food, music, drinks, and fun.\

The Long Story

Summer time is here.  We were talking about this on the thread

Hopefully all of your working out in the cold months have paid off.  Now’s the time to cash in.

For me, game always divides into 2 big areas

1. Looks
2. Behavior

In 2018, the importance of looks (and extending the visuals to lifestyle game and Instagram game, and Fame Game) is now in the driver’s seat. The original field tested information about muscles and money failing to seal deals has been long forgotten.  It’s been known for a long time – that your behavior is really what drives the interaction – and getting control of your behavior in all aspects is what takes you from incel in the basement reading 4Chan to President of the United States.

Guys are out there taking testosterone and steroids to reach some sort of physical aesthetic that makes the girls fall in love and lust with them on sight.  These macho men, “alphas” are basically employing a feminine strategy – where looks are all that matters – but they’ll hang themselves before they admit to that.

Well, it’s summer time, folks are hitting the beaches and the pools – and this is where ‘Fitness’ actually reigns supreme.

The Game is primarily played at night clubs and bars, around town during the day as you work, school, and shop.  The 6 Pack Crew generally looks skinny in these situations.  To really broadcast the “I work out thus I am a good genetic bet for your future children” is to get “jacked”.  Jack3d is the body builder wearing a suit where his biceps are DEFINED.

It’s such a weird concept that I had to double up on the street fighter references, because actual body builders in suits look like this.

So in the regular world – guys that are jacked look fat, and guys with 6 pack look skinny.  In the game context, guys that do work out generally have to wear very fitted clothing that SUGGEST how virile they are.  Too tight, and you end up looking my man in Flubber.

But Summer.

Pool Parties are not the typical game venue. (Unless your in Vegas, and being jacked AND having a 6 pack is the price of admission – if you want to play the looks game)

On the Beach though?

Anyone can go.  Chicks and dudes are dressed appropriately.  The sun makes people do funny things…

Venue

Now, I’ve done my dirt on South Beach and at Coney Island.

My physique isn’t South Beach ready.  Them Russians and Puerto Ricans @ Coney Island were more than okay with less than perfection.  Miami? It’s literally the same set of people – Caribbean based Latinas and others, and Euro Trash.  But the expectations are WAY HIGHER.

Take a good honest look at yourself.  Do you look great naked?

Beach Game has a huge visual component, and if you put yourself in that zone – you gotta be able to deliver.   Cause you’re not talking to some fatty now are you?

You can get away with charming her in the club, but with everything out on display at the beach – you need ROCK SOLID confidence.

Confidence comes from COMPETENCE, so all them hours at the gym need to be overshadowed by all the you’ve spent over the cold months rapping to chicks.

Go forth my friends!

-Archie

http://narrative.ly/secret-life-of-an-autistic-stripper/

This is one is about a woman learning to play the game.  Instead of sex, she’s making money off of guys.  The fact that she’s autistic – means that she has to break down all of ways people communicate – verbally and nonverbally

Some choice quotes

I struggled to read people’s emotions through cues like facial expressions, postures, and tone of voice in real time. I processed events after the fact with tenuous evaluation, like peeling off layers of old wallpaper

Facial expressions, body language, and eye contact are the bones of communication and it’s quite difficult to build and maintain relationships without the ability to read them.

And for my tech dudes – why you should make your DHV really DHV

Participants reported feeling closer to the confederate when exaggerations were included, even when they knew the facts the storyteller was retelling. Discussion centers on reasons why being entertaining was more beneficial in creating relationship closeness than being honest.

-Archie

I only watched the first five minutes, but this guy got chicks to come to his house by writing letters by hand.

https://youtu.be/3sdTH1FQfyI

Don’t even know the back story.

-Archie

Still working on the manuscript.  So much written.

So I found this digging through the stacks

Sinn used to work for Mystery I believe.

This is direct game.  Starts @ 36:48, but the whole thing is good.

-Archie