Milton, Eve, and Game

Y’all know me by now.  I’ve basically internalized all the steps to basic seduction.  What gets me excited game wise, is new paths to the same place.

This is a passage from a guy that I think is really into philosophy. I came across the post because someone on Reddit asked about the best autobiography about game. (Casanova).  In the middle of that search, there’s something about Casanova (a real person) versus Don Juan (a fictional person created in a play).

The key difference between their seduction styles is that Casanova is a thinker and Don Juan is a narcissist.

Here’s the link – http://branemrys.blogspot.com/2012/04/don-juan-and-casanova.html

This blog is primarily a Casanova style blog…or is it?  Peep this analysis of Don Juan.

There’s a longstanding literary trope about the danger of a woman falling in love with herself. Perhaps the purest form of this is Milton’s Eve. Newly created and newly awake, Eve looks around and discovers her equal when she accidentally looks into a pool. Because she is brand new and doesn’t understand the concept of a reflection yet, she is delighted at the beauty and vivacity of her new companion. God informs her of her mistake and tells her that her true companion is coming; she looks up, sees Adam — and finds him a little disappointing. Of course, being completely innocent, she quickly learns to enjoy him for his own sake and love him for all the things she is not, but it is also a foreshadowing of the weakness — it is not yet a flaw — that will eventually be her downfall: her attention can be drawn by a sufficiently attractive image of herself, and this is precisely what the Serpent will exploit, by giving her a mental image of herself that is splendid and telling her that she can be that if she will only taste a bit of fruit. Eve’s circumstances are unusual; only in her case can the trope be that blatant, because only she can look at her own image with complete innocence and no self-doubt. But more complicated variations of the trope are easy enough to find. But it is precisely this trope on which the character of Don Juan builds: women are seduced by him because the fall in love with the image of woman — feminine, but also passionate, unrestrained, devoted to pleasure — that they see in him.

They want to be with him because they want to be him.

And, of course, he is narcissistic: what he delights in when he looks in his lover’s eyes is not his lover or her eyes but how impressive he looks reflected in them. Thus she pursues herself as reflected in him as he pursues himself reflected in her. Seduction becomes a sort of interpersonal narcissism, in which Don Juan is irresistible to women because (in terms of literary stereotypes) he is exactly what a woman would be if a woman just happened to be a man.

The whole piece is good.

How do we incorporate this?  Should we?  Do we already?

For the veteran player, developing the mechanics of game is relatively straight forward

• Preparation of Mind, Body, and Soul
• Attention
• Approach
• Open
• Charm
• Logistics
• Disable Obstacles
• Build Trust
• Get Some Privacy
• Read the Bible
• Get her to think it was her idea, and he’s the victim!

To all of this, there are assumptions, there are pre-requisites – but this is basically all you need for a proper pull. From start to close, this is basically what it looks like.

Even if the chick is throwing her panties at at the man, all the man does is skip the first few steps and the proceed with the sequence.  Guys that don’t know game end up following this path, because the sequence is normal and natural.

So when I read something like this, I realize that Don Juan and Casanova are just “skins” to the overall process.  It’s a style.  It’s a preference of the player.

BUT (and it’s a big but) – the style has effects that aren’t immediately noticeable.

For those who haven’t read Casanova – his seduction is basically trapping a chick with words and social conventions.   By contrast, Don Juan plays to her ego.

The immediate result is what you would expect, they both get together.  And that’s all that freshman players look for. Indeed, direct game is usually the best thing to learn first (and it will also make your painfully aware of where you are in the “5 second market”)

The veteran on the other hand, wants the “connection” to happen in a certain way.  Part of that is his Ego, the other part is dealing with what are obvious consequences of spreading the gospel to those not yet ready to receive.

To bring it back to the piece  – in terms of game advice – make yourself like HER in behavior- has pretty much been incorporated in all sectors of the game, but rarely is it discussed as such.

I can see the book right now and the resultant outrage in the manosphere

“Act like a woman in order to get a woman”

But isn’t that what’s already been happening? You got all these guys out there dieting and eating “clean” to get a six pack.  She does the same thing so that she has a flat tummy.

 

Plenty of guys focus heavily on their appearance.  All that banter and stuff we talk about – usually the best content comes from traditional women’s interest, and the manner of delivery is how women talk to each other.

So if we take a Don Juan approach to the game, what else could we find?

-Archie