One of the more interesting things about being subscribed to FDS (Female Dating Strategy) and TRP (The Red Pill) – is not only being unwelcome in both places – but how much they converge on the same ideas.
This is something Game with a capital G has always taught. When you come at Game from the barbershop perspective, where the man giving you a fade is rapping with everyone in the shop – this is the thing you hear.
It doesn’t matter how much money you make, what you look like, how tall you are – the only thing that matters is how you make her feel.
In our circles, this is sort of taken as a truism. Something we say, but don’t really practice. Meanwhile, Pimps and Players, practice this. It’s the foundation of their game. Laughs and Cries, Highs and lows. Even old school indirect pick up would start an interaction with a push (a tease) and then pull the chick back in with a compliment.
So I was taken aback when this meme popped up on their board.
Clearly, they mean it to be something positive, always treat a girl well, be consistent in action, don’t treat her poorly. They are of course responding to her reality of attractive guys that use her for her body, sex, money, service etc.
Please, treat me well.
Yet, sadly, many of these women, attractive faces and bodies, are only drawn to men that treat them poorly.
First thing first, If you don’t know what the opposite of Simping is, then you shouldn’t be using the word Simping. Most these folks out here calling names, wouldn’t know where to buy a pair of gators if their lives depended on it.
She’s sharing the play by play with her roommate (who’s 34 – thirty fucking four)
She goes to the Beach (by herself) He arranges for her AND HER ROOMMATE to get some food for her to take home. (Chicken Parm and a Salad, and a Veggie Burger for her roommate)
Sweet and Creative
Dinner for 2, but one of them can’t even eat
I’m sure that there are girls that will come over, will hang out and I WILL NOT DO THAT
She sends him a pic of her cooking. He shows up.
Roommate is taping this joint.
“how long are you gonna keep this up”
More “meal exchanges”
“I’ve never felt this way”
Did Beta game work out? He provided so much material stuff and service. HE MADE HER FEEL SPECIAL.
The update? Things didn’t work out. After all that simping…
Again I ask, WHERE ARE THE FATHERS?
Even if you don’t have a father figure, remember Rap used to be good…
It is not power alone that is an aphrodisiac, it is the combination of power and charisma.
Leadership expert Ronald E. Riggio describes the key elements of charisma as social and emotional expressiveness, sensitivity and control. That is, the ability to know what to say when, how to say it, and how to read a room.
This high-level communication ability means that a charismatic man knows exactly who he has to be to get what he wants in any situation. He knows what a young, beautiful girl likes to hear. He knows how to flatter and seduce, tease and amuse.
The same skills he’s honed to cajole unhappy clients, close deals and smooth over disagreements, are perfect for getting under the defences of a stranger.
You can tell this was written for women
A charismatic, powerful man is an excellent listener, is attentive and thoughtful and will work hard to make you laugh. They will have the means to shower you with gifts and take you to amazing places.
A charismatic person has the ability to make you feel like you’re the only person in the room. And they will not take ‘no’ for an answer. They will be charmingly persistent for as long as necessary.
There are lots of these articles that float around from time to time.
Usually written by women
Meant to warn women
Men are the enemy, the predators. Women are innocents.
“Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.
Lulz.
Let’s talk about the Quarantine.
What I’ve been doing? Working my cubicle job from the comfort of my own home.
What I should be doing? (Aka things that can 10x your game/life)
Mental – Meditation, to give myself more overall awareness if life.
Emotional Wellbeing – I don’t think I have any nagging emotional issues or self esteem problems.
Physical Fitness – I’ve never been a “hit the gym” type of dude. I’m more about walking, roaming city streets, knocking out a 2 step, maybe some calisthenics at the crib. That’s just not available right now.
Stacking – I went from cooking 50% of my meals to 90% at this point. But I’m also retooling. As I was saying on the podcast, my technical/production role is now subject to work from home analysis. A lot of upper management is going to see that they can trim down a lot of white collar real estate and find capable people willing to work for less.
I’m wondering if I should start offering coaching calls, strategy sessions for dudes, but I’d honestly rather just finish editing what i’ve written.
“I was having a similar discussion with a guy I’m talking to.. He’s been bombarding me with gifts and attention and we talk a lot. I haven’t hung out with him yet due to the quarantine. I don’t know if he is worth my trouble even with everything he is doing for me. I’ve had so many bad experiences that my guard is extremely high. So I expressed it to him in a nicer way.
A Chump? He’s pissed off by this. “How dare this effing…”
But the player recognizes the game.
Here’s how player responded.
To which he made an interesting point: “Vulnerability is not a weakness, it’s a strength. Strength that shows you are not scared to expose your feelings and emotions.”
I thought about it. I sorta agree. You give up some of your power in order to become vulnerable. The outcome maybe better than what you had before or it may end in a heartbreak. The question is: WHO is the person you are willing to risk for. Not a lot of people are worth it “
Whether or not you watch The Simpsons is besides the point. 2 Feminists analyze why hyper competent female gets with imbecilic man throughout pop media. Fred and Wilma, King of Queens, etc.
Now, you know the end of the story – chick gets with dude based on how he makes her feel, not his money/looks/status, etc. THAT’S GAME.
I don’t post this YouTube for the conclusions that they draw. There’s a meta-narrative about mediocre men and highly competent women, and this is an example. Feminist Rage, as it were.
On the level, the interesting thing about this particular piece of criticism, is that Homer can pull much hotter tail. (Michelle Pfeifer episode) Whereas, we don’t really see Marge getting sweated by anyone else in her youth. A player does come into her life later on, but at that point, H-Dog got his hooks deep in her.
Obviously they’re not going to into that because, well you know, THE NARRATIVE.
Be on the look out for the narrative.
In particular, when you holla at these highly educated women, who are also waist deep in this sort of ideology – recognize what narratives will let them sleep at night.
He went to LSE and went to Princeton for masters and now working for hedgefund. The guy has to fight for my attention not the other way around.
*LSE – London School of Economics.
And you know this post is being upvoted heavily, because other females agree with her.
As men, you and I know what sort of accomplishment those things are, and what kind of money that dude is gonna make. She’s basically dumb as hell for passing, and delusional for thinking a dude who’s working 80-100 hours as a young man is gonna stop his shot at BILLIONS for some random broad that needs to be held at night while she watches Snapped.
As players, we know the only reason she clicked on his profile was because he was HANDSOME. Patel and Nguyen also have those same criteria, and their own sistren prefer to talk to Sawyer the bearded barista.
What should you take from these things?
It really doesn’t matter what you do with your life, outside of giving her attention.
Don’t buy that Lambo thinking it’s gonna get you girls. Don’t take that job you hate that pays well, because it will get you girls. Don’t wear a suit for female compliments.
First off, the dude in me gotta chuckle at “My Truth”.
The video is cued up to 1:00 (You don’t really need to watch the rest, it’s the standard, I dated a guy that was cool with stripping and then not cool with it.)
Before I moved into this apartment, I was talking to a guy for a really long time. And I was thinking, “Oh, when I move into my apartment, I’m not gonna be alone. He’s gonna sleep over all the time. And it’s gonna be like we live together.
That’s was a big motivation for me to move. Cause I wanted our own space.
A place to decorate
My friends will come visit me
Girl, you alone. I need to hurry up and get like 10 cats…
The way this plays out, she signs a lease, waits for the place to get built, and her and the guy stop talking. Now she’s stuck with this lease in a place by herself.
Now her advice to the mostly female audience is to never make a big move “for a guy”.
Red Pill Thinking Caps on – This is the hamster at work. She made this move for herself, hoping that this guy would give her the emotional intimacy that she craves.
The Red Pill is just gonna have a dude laughing at this “dumb chick” for making a mistake like this.
But the player, the guy with game, what does he see in this?
I’m not gonna be alone. All the dimes I’ve ever dated, not so much the 5’s and 6’s that I’ve run through – this fear of being alone is common.
Back in the olden times of pick up, there was thing called “elicitation of values” This was during the Neurolingustic Programming/Speed Seduction days.
There were a couple ways to play this.
Being able to get a girl to divulge this sort of stuff is very attractive in a man.
The act of her actually divulging these things builds comfort, builds emotional connection.
But the “Game” lite aspect of PUA was she tells you how she feels – and then you use that information to emulate/reject these things.
So if the girl says she likes dogs because of their loyalty, you play up your loyalty later in the interaction. (not right then, because it’s transparent)
I don’t recall “emulation” being very successful, but I could be wrong.
There was one thing that almost always worked. If she said she only dated jerks and assholes, that’s a clear sign that her hamster likes jerks and assholes, and the more you fit into her version of that, the more attracted she becomes.
But what if you went from 1% game PUA to the 2% method that I push?
The real difference between PUA/Red Pill and other methods, is that Game is about
Getting into the person’s mind
Getting into lots of people’s mind
Uncovering their desires
Giving them away to get those things that they say they want
The things that people usually want but won’t say
That’s why Game is what you see with a lot of these prosperity gospel preachers, politicians, etc. They really empathize with their audience, bring up things that they want, and things that they want but won’t say, and in often bring up things that they didn’t realize they wanted.
That’s why the overlap between Game and Pick Up is fairly small.
A lot of girls are like our Youtube friend above. There’s a deep need to be around someone, to have someone around. Fulfilling that and also remembering when to take it away is a key tool in making those deeper connections.
So if you’re doing the short game, just a simple pick up/SDL/SNL – how would you sprinkle in some Game?
Let’s think about the sequence and where you might find out about this and where you might use that information to “grow closer”.
Baseline – You’re on your path and purpose, mind right, money straight, working out, eating right, sleeping, meditating
Logistics on lock before you leave the house
Seen the girl.
Made your Assessment.
You’ve gotten her attention, started the chat, and the chat is now mutual.
The back and forth is done. The banter is over with.
You’ve dealt with her friend group and any sort of logistical issues.
You’ve broken the touch barrier. You’ve verbally escalated. You’ve moved her around.
The Trust Building Phase – Now you start with your comfort/rapport/getting to really know her phase. This is where probing for the loneliness insecurity is useful.
Some caveats to Going Deep
A lot of Nice Guys that aren’t running game get trapped here in the trust building phase. Girl uses them as a therapist/emotional tampon, forms a strong bond as a friend/good listener, but can’t see them sexually SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW HER DIRT.
So getting her to surrender herself to a possible sexual partner is walking a tight rope. You don’t want a truly unedited chick, because then you’re her girlfriend.
You guys reading this have already gotten attraction first, so you aren’t in danger of the friend zone. Some guys go for comfort first, but this requires a level of skill, nonverbal cue reading, and social intelligence, that I find it hard myself to do it.
How to get the information
In terms of getting intel, ideally (and often what happens) the chick will give you all sorts of info on her inner psyche UNPROMPTED.
But if you need to prompt this
Ask questions
Make statements
Tell stories
Divulge things that would be sensitive to other people but not sensitive to the player.
These are often what signals the girl for her to tell you her stuff. You are leading her.
A note on leading.
In particular with younger girls, more insecure girls – when a chick is digging you and doesn’t really have a good sense of her own emotional boundaries – she’ll tell you what she thinks you want to hear, just for you to stay next to her. See Above.
This girl, as lovely as she is, as many potential partners as she has, as lonely as she is – she was willing to make this major life change on the HOPE that some random dude she was seeing would spend more time with her. I know a lot of you just want to grab a piece of that fake ass and bring those silicone titties to your chest and just hug her to make her feel safe. Admit it!
I know that’s what some guys look for, but when you get further down the road, you’ll see these types of “I put my man above myself” can be problematic. She wants to be around you all the time, super submissive, always doing stuff – but she’s making a “covert contract”. She’s giving you stuff in the hopes that you give her stuff. She’s basically doing the girl version of being a “nice guy”. You get all this “free benefit”, but what she wants is more and more of your time (and money and effort as the time goes on).
Dateless guys jump for this, but a man that’s on his purpose? He needs his own time. It’s harmful to him and any sort of relationship if he has to “receive” all of this love she’s showing him.
Once the information is received, now what?
Anytime I hear something deep like that, I “break the spell”.
Cause when you’re in the trust building mode and the girl is just flowing, you need to break rapport and then come back to it. (Maybe this is fractionation?)
I like to stop the flow, look into her eyes, and then acknowledge that she said something to me that was beyond the normal. (even if she thinks this is normal, because so many chicks will tell you some traumatic shit that they don’t recognize as traumatic.).
Then I pull her in, physically, and I want her to keep talking.
If you are an FDS fan, perhaps this is cynical and calculating, but I do really want her to feel the warmth of my body, my touch, smell the Tobacco Vanille and talk to me openly, without needing to look into my eyes.
From there, you go back to the sequence and make things light. But if she shares a “moment” (or in my case, creating a moment out of thin air), how good is that later on connection going to be?
