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This was on the forum.   Here’s my expanded answer

Bumble bitch. Messages me. We chit chat. I ask for #. She says not till we meet because stalker in her past or some shit. I say ok. (first mistake no doubt).

So I continue to talk to her over the stupid app. Seems like playing into her frame. I say we should meet. She agrees. She then says coffee….which i absolutely hate for a date. But i agree because this bitch is hot.

So far I’ve been playing by her rules, again which I hate. Going to meet later today and need input on how to rapidly reset the frame so that I’ll be the one calling the shots if we ever meet again.

My take on the advice so far

1) Just Do Your Thing
– summed up as “it’s not an issue”
– not particularly practical or helpul

2) Lack of Frame
Basically you should just force the issue.

The problem with forcing the frame is that she hasn’t accepted it.
Trying to smash her into your world – ESPECIALLY A CHICK YOU JUST “MET” ONLINE – is a gamble and doesn’t address the problems in this scenario

3) Agree to her terms

Agree to her and then extend the date the way you see fit.

Somebody just put on their first pair of Gators!

Probably the best answer that handles some of the problems, even if it only frames this as a logistical problem.

[Ed. Hint Hint, it’s more than that that.]

The reason why guys don’t think of this answer is because

THAT BITCH BETTER DO WHAT THE FUCK I’M TELLING HER,
I’M THE MAN
BITCH BETTA RECOGNIZE…

Too much EGO leads to missing this solution.

This is not understanding your own psychology, or male psychology.

4) Agree to her terms/tour the town style date + “stop in” at your place

Takes the decent work around of #3, but then tries to sneak in some shit that she actually should expect, and would start flashing alarms.

5) Tease the chick about her situation but sandwich it with jokes

Teasing builds attraction by breaking rapport.

Is it possible that a few text messages can shoot your stock so high, change her mood and change her mind – Maybe. Anything is possible.
I write and persuade people for a living, so it could be in the cards…

6) Agree, Get Frame, Lead & don’t take her literally

Super strong answer. It’s like a better illustration of #3.

Other options that I wrote down at work, but didn’t actually make an appearance

7) FUCK THIS BITCH, SILENCE
8) Fuck you bitch, here’s why, BLOCK

Surprised there was no “take the Alpha high road” answers, which is what I expected to see a lot of.

What the veteran player sees?

In my view, the game is all about psychology
– Knowing your own – Why does her doing this make me so mad?
– Knowing what other guys do – What do other guys typically do i n
– Knowing what girls typically do – And this chick is not doing what they typically do
– Knowing what your particular chick is doing and how it fits into her particular psychology – This chick had a bad experience.  Baggage to deal with

What’s really going on in this scenario?

Let’s really break it down.

It’s a meet stemming from online
– In person, at a night club, you wouldn’t be going through this
– In the day time, she’d be able to give you a smell test and figure out if you’re bad news
– Social Circle would be ideal for her – because she can vet you through other sources. You just being in the same circle is almost enough.

So from jump, what kind of problem do you have?

Do you have a sex problem? No.
Do you have an attraction problem? No.
Do you have logistical issues? No

What you have is an issue of basic trust.

So this is what that Netflix and Chill Post #2 was about, my post in the player’s lounge about rapid trust building, and the thread about a girl wanting to google your name.

Chicks that act like this do not have trust. (This will be important, follow)

What about attraction?

Glad you asked.
– This is an online meet at first – so a girl that responds well, means that you at least have a decent social profile. Give yourself a +1
– The fact that this was Bumble – which is girls choose – means that you definitely have a face/body/style that she’s looking for.

What about your text game?

– I didn’t read anything about it. But I’m just going to assume you’re the typical RVF guy, and you only text logistics, thus your text game is weak.

MESSAGE.

Write a shit load more. Write as much as I do, and your text game will become a strength and not a weakness. Not something that you can fuck up. Something that you can use so that you can fuck.

What about your online game?
– Again, this is an online pull, and I don’t see where you used any thing aside from your Bumble profile to pull this chick.

Did you like your awesome webpage of amazing travels, yachts, foods, chicks, memes, and puppies?

I’m guessing not. But if you have group shots of you with people, some of which are attractive girls, then that’s a way to show social proof, pre-selection, which helps with attraction. And also can convey that other bitches are SAFE around you.

Right off the bat, you’re not using tools that are available to you.

That’s neither her nor there.

This, so far, has been all about you.

What about her?

This broad told you she has a stalker.
Two implications

1) Really bitch?
You have a stalker?
Like is he liking all your shit on Instagram?
He’s a stalker now?
Are you really that fine?
What the fuck are you doing on Bumble then?

An actually fine bitch has high quality offers IN REAL FUCKING LIFE.

2) Oh and you think *I’m* going to be a stalker?

That’s awfully presumptuous. Like I ain’t pumped and dumped finer bitches than you that gave me less of a hassle.

That’s whatever though.

In terms of game, what is she communicating to you?

She has enough attraction to come see you, but she does not TRUST you, or any man.

So that’s the real problem with this scenario.

She is telling you that she needs to build trust.

What happens when you build trust, comfort, and rapport AT A COFFEE SHOP?

You become her friend.
Her friends that are boys don’t fuck her.

She’s setting you up to fail.

She wants you to build trust first, not realizing her own psychology. MESSAGE.

So I just said you had attraction. This is perfectly in line with the sequence…right?

Let’s take a step back.

Before you can put P into V, you need 3 things.
– Attraction
– Trust
– Location

Classically, you build attraction first, and you build trust afterwards. And it all culminates at the final location.

But it’s better to think of Attraction, Trust, and Location as slider knobs on a studio mixer. You keep adjusting the sliders to get the right sound, no distortion.

To get the date, let’s say you need an attraction level of 2 and a comfort level of 2. (please you inboxing newbs, don’t get pedantic about the #’s shit. IT’S A METAPHOR not an EQUATION)

– 2 on attraction – she can be seen in public with you
– 2 on trust – you’re not going to kill her
– 0 on logistics (unless you can sneak her into the bathroom for a quick bang)

As the date progresses
– Attraction moves up to 5-6 – she’s hanging on to your every word, eating out of your hand, going along with role plays, she’s adopted your frame. She’s in to you.

– Trust moves up to 5-6 – she’s very cool with you moving her around, touching her non-sexually. You aren’t doing weird shit. If you grab for her hand, she gives it. But when she pulls away, you’re w/o reaction. No neediness, no bad reactions. She doesn’t need to be careful around you.

– Logistics are at a 3 (you’ve changed venues, and you could engage in some PDA – though a smart player wouldn’t)

As you get closer to the end of the date
– attraction level hits 10
– the trust is about an 8
– logistics are at 8-10 as well. So that’s the walk to your car, in your car, the walk up to your place, in your living room, with 10 being her on the bed naked in your bed.

I don’t want to get too deep into this metaphor, but there’s a tension between all 3. When one goes up, the others go down, or sideways.

Most notably, When she really wants to fuck attraction wise, and when she’s in the place where she can fuck – That trust level isn’t a steady riser from 8 to 10. That 8 might just sit there for a long ass time, so long that attraction (the dopamine and other chemicals coursing through her brain start to subside)

There is something about being so turned on, and being in a place where shit can go down where her brain is like “YO, WE’RE NOT SURE ABOUT THIS”

And that’s where the player really shines. It’s the most important part of the short game – and it happens WAY BEFORE you get her back home.

The game is played in comfort.
Is she comfortable with you, around you, having you put your P into her V.

The game is about TRUST.

Where the bangs fail to happen, is that you can’t get that trust level to 10.

So that’s LMR in a nutshell. You’ve got attraction and a place to bang, but not enough trust. She trusted you enough to come home – but there’s that final hurdle of trust that she just can’t jump. And it’s usually something that happened WELL BEFORE you got her back to your spot.

And if you have to pull out an LMR buster, the way that typically works is you withdraw attraction, and she has to buy into your frame. This is her giving in, as opposed to her tearing your clothes off, or enthusiastically wanting her to fuck you. I don’t want to get deep into the LMR discussion either.

I bring this up because if you take her on a “tour of the city” style date – it builds trust – each place you go – each person you talk to – builds TRUST.

The walking date also provides a “plot” to your date. (Everyone thinks in narratives. Every body is a star in their own movie)

Here the chick has you at 2/2/0 with this coffee date

To get the P into V, you need the trust to get to 10….

Here the logic is inverted.

She wants trust NOW. Not when she’s more attracted, not when she’s in a place where she can be “free”.

The veteran knows that her thinking brain, the mammal brain, wants this thing that her reptilian brain (the ‘gina) does not want.

We can talk about attraction theory if you want – but as any dude here can tell you – getting a chick to trust you to the level she seems to want – will more likely than not dry up the pussy.

What usually makes it wet is NOVELTY (most attraction technique is showing her novelty, not letting her get it when she wants it, putting her in a validation cycle, and adopting your frame and exchanging pussy and everything else for a the novelty of being in your life).

Novelty is the enemy of Security.
Novelty is the enemy of Trust.

Trust is usually known as comfort and rapport.
Attraction material, the better stuff in my view, is about BREAKING rapport.

Weak dudes seek rapport.  Players break rapport.

Players only seek rapport, after she INVESTS heavily.

So to get comfort, to get rapport, to get trust – you need to give her what she asked for.

And if a chick knows basically what to expect, and you meet her expectations – she’ll have the trust she needs.

She just won’t have the attraction.
Bitch…

Bitches secretly love this shit, even if they aren’t conscious of it.
From a male p.o.v, most broads are just problems for you to figure out, and
they love to make it has hard as possible.

So the walk around date is an option, especially if you come at it from the perspective that I NEED TO BUILD TRUST.
– paying for coffee
– having a plan to do something to afterwards
– interacting with customers, shop keepers, baristas – showing you’re social and normal
– guiding her through a crowd
– being decisive
– taking her to new places, and nothing bad happens
– taking her to new places, and you deal well with strangers
– taking her to new places, where people, girls esp, know you
– touching her, and then pulling back.
– showing some vulnerability, and getting her to volunteer it.

So you do the walkabout – with a purpose to get at the chick’s mind.

That’s the 1st strategy. She wants coffee shop, you pick one, and have an itinerary in line. The intermediate guy doesn’t just pick a centrally located coffee shop. The fail safe coffee shop is that if she flakes, you’ve got places to go.

The other options are more out of the box, advanced in nature.  But they get at the main issue she has.   She can’t really trust herself to make decisions.  I’ve touched on this with the “Girl wants to bring a dog, or girl has a dog” type posts.  Where the girl outsources her decision making to the dog.

A) Go to her fave coffee shop – charm the fuck out of everyone there. And have a plan.

B) Make her invite a friend – and then nip the trust thing in the bud – and charm both of them.

These options actually do what I would call a trust transference, a social safety blanket.  But they use the trust factors of TRUSTED third parties to reinforce that she should trust you.  Plus you get the added benefit of vetting her friend/friends to see if this is the type of chick you can stick your dick into, and whether she has hot friends that you can fuck on the low read The Bible with.

-Archie

Do you understand how this joke works?

There are a few players

• The Elephant
• The Cops who don’t want to see the elephant, and won’t let you get out of your ticket
• The Victim
• The Audience

So the crew/cops pull over the victim.  The victim thinks to herself that I must have done something wrong, or I haven’t done anything wrong.  The cop acts like a cop.

And then this pink elephant with yellow spots walks in the background.

Predictably, the victim tries to redirect the cop’s attention, but the cop being a cop is not falling for it.  When the cop finally does, the elephant is nowhere to be seen – thus proving that the cop was right not to believe the victim.

This cycles a few times, and the audience is the only one in on the joke.  The audience sees the humor, the exasperation, and frustration.

So the humor is really for the viewing audience, why do they then show the audience the shot of the victim seeing the camera?

Clearly when the victim sees the camera, there’s a huge sigh of relief that they experience – but the tension is also relieved with the viewing audience.

This is the sort of thing I think about when it comes to game.  How can I use these sort of social rules to make emotional impact on the girl.

At the theory level, this involves two sets, with your target girl being the audience.   You run your flim flam on some cute chick.  She’s tense, she’s bouncing around, and then you relieve the tension.  Your target sees this, and her own tension is relieved.

So there’s really not much more to it – and this is just coming at Group Theory/Pawn Theory from another angle.

-Archie

 

Q: Archie – I thought this chick was feeling me, but when I ask for the meet, she says, “I’ll let you know”

A. If a chick hits you with the “I’ll let you know” that’s a “no” not a “know”

[Ed. This video has nothing to do with the topic, I just find it comical]

Overall, dissecting the problem is that to get to that point of “I’ll let you know” – you had to spark some initial interest/attraction and then lose it.

If
1) the chick opened,
2) and you ran your material/showed value
3) and you she wanted to hear more,
4) and to get more from you, you made her invest

She’s on. This ain’t rocket science. As much as guys want to overcomplicate things, this is basically how all the styles work.

– Pretty boy steps up, yammers – the value is his prettiness. She wants more, he makes her invest.

– Meathead steps up, yammers, the value is in the muscles, to bang her, he makes her invest.

– Player steps up, yammers, the value is in how he is making her feel in the moment. To bang her, he makes her invest.

So it’s guys getting weak opens (like environmental openers that are “clever” but don’t actually push a girl’s emotional buttons), and then assuming the rest.

I can’t assume sexual/physical attraction. She might purse her lips, or bring her legs together, or give off some sort of biological tell – but she might need to pee. Her twirling her hair might be interest, might be what she does when she’s bored.

Yet, getting her to play along, and to further invest is something I can see, verify, and keep on doing.

They get to the end where they go for the #/kiss/instadate/bang – and suddenly the girl’s not interested.

There’s nothing sudden about it.
The player didn’t show her what she wanted to see/hear.
But because chicks get punched in the face for being blunt, she was cordial the whole time.

I used to run into this shit all the time. Then I realized I needed to really push the emotions harder. The good pulls I had, the chick was REALLY feeling what I had to say. But I was focusing on the material, not so much the [b]depth of the emotional reaction[/b]. That’s the roller coaster that we keep talking about.

So to focus on that, if I had a chick giggling, i’d hammer on that a minute or two then switch gears. She’s laughing, now she’s defending herself for laughing too much. Switch, switch, switch – whatever she thought initially, however she felt – I’ve changed her mood and have now changed her mind. This is what good customer service reps do. It’s not that hard to adapt to game.

I don’t want a giggle, I want her sides to hurt when she laughs at my shit. Whatever emotion I think is possible, I want it to be on 10, not 0.5.

And people get sold TV’s, newspaper subscriptions, loan products, life insurance, and switch electric companies when they go to the grocery store. You go into Wal-Mart for some oil filters and end up picking up shit on the way. It’s not an accident.

People’s ability to control their urges is not that strong. The real problem is that they don’t have the money to buy everything they want.

-Archie

Q. Do your parents know that you’re a Vegan?

A. No… wait yes…wait I’m not a Vegan…

The Double Bind, something that lots of debate people to trap people into statements.   Now if you’re debating, it’s a dirty trick. But if you’re flirting, its fun for the girl.

Rather than bore a chick with your bragging or humble bragging, invite her to play using a double bind.

How to set it up

1) Come in with the opener,
2) She doesn’t hear you
3) You turn the topic of conversation away from what you had in mind, and on to her in playful manner
– it’s an accusation that she has to defend herself against
– it’s a cold read
– it’s a tease
– it’s a flirt

IT’S INTERESTING TO HER.

And not in an intellectual way.  She probably has enough boring conversations at the job.   So focus on flirting and having fun.  Giving her something to play with.  That’s what I go for, and what I think you should go for.   Plus this is something you can do during night game, day game, online game, and social circle game.   It’s sexy without touching on sex.

4) She’s going to keep playing this game where she’s the center of the discussion.

And that’s where you want it to be

But Archie, I just reached the top of Mt. Everest

She doesn’t care.  She doesn’t care about that stuff, because she doesn’t care about you.  You know what she cares about? HER

Chances are that whatever you were going to say initially isn’t going to give you this sort of reaction that flirting will, and a double bind is a good little conversational piece to keep in your back pocket.

Remember, often times you need to go off of your “script” – and focus on the here and now of the conversation.

That means the conversation should focus on
– her
– you and her

You want the girl to be mentally engaged and talking to you – so even if you had this killer story or joke planned, there’s no real point in going back to what you were saying until you get her interested in you.

All that cool bragging stuff that you want to lead with, You need to let that go.

But now that she is chatting – you have to move the ball forward.

So you throw a double bind at her, and now she’s playing with you.

This is where you’re now playing the game.

-Archie

Andy asked this question

I was searching for ‘opener’ info and saw some of your posts on rooshv forum. There was one thread where I think you advised to never open with any sort of compliment – even one not directed at her beauty, but at maybe an item of clothing or something. ”Hey, I like your trainers!” sort of thing.

Can you confirm that this is ‘bad’ practice? Lots of people do this on infield clips I see.

How would you open a girl in a bar – say 11pm in a small bar in a local town?

On Compliments

1) Compliment openers are not for guys new to the game.
a) That’s what regular guys do
b) You don’t want to do what regular guys do
c) If a girl doesn’t value your opinion, then it’s more of an annoyance
d) Even if it starts the conversation – it doesn’t really show much personality on your part – and no personality = no value.  So on the shot clock, you’ve wasted valuable seconds.

There are good ways to do compliment openers – but it’s only after you get used to talking to girls, and hitting the emotional high notes and craziness that they like.
I could do it, but a guy new to the game probably couldn’t.

West Indians use compliments to open all the time – but they’re not earnest compliments.

Dread – “Gyal yuh suh sweet dat di mango knock yuh door fi sugar”

In English – “Girl you’re so sweet that the mango knocks on your door for sugar.  ”

The compliment is so ridiculous and over the top, and delivered with a smile – that the point of the compliment is not the content themselves – but the preposterous nature.

It shows creativity and personality, much more than tells the girl that she’s sweet.

It makes a chick laugh. And when you make someone laugh, that’s them falling in to your frame.  You doing stuff to control their moods and emotions.

An example from General Degree

Square guys, newbs – they’ll say,

“Your eyes are so beautiful. “

That’s an earnest compliment – and from some stranger – it means nothing.

“Nice shoes”  – if she’s wearing heels, and they’re sexy – it’s not really giving her anything to work with, to react from.

Replace it with, “I know exactly what you want right now” – “A nice pair of comfy bunny rabbit slippers with the ears..”

2) Small Bar in a Local Town

Keep in mind this West Indian Archie – a black guy writing about game for Black, Latino, Indian, Asian, and Middle Eastern guys – I (we) have to be mindful in Small Town America.

Some of my majority-American readers would not have to be mindful, and could come in hard and direct and sexual from the very beginning.

In general,
– I’d approach from the side
– I’d be loud
– Turn to her and say

“You look like a person/lady/woman who….” <-cold read works better than environmental openers because she might have missed whatever you’re noticing

– Give it a few seconds
– If she reacts positive/negative or does nothing – follow it up with whatever I started

Now I talk a lot in general, I can improvise on the spot.  You might not have those skills yet.  So think about something that happened to you today.
Turn it into an opener by 1) cold read to open, 2) follow up with a story that gives her a chance to give her input

I’m writing this a few days after the 1st big Clinton Trump debate, so I might go with a current event.

“Did you hear Donald Trump sniffing…You think he’s on coke? That’s what they’re saying online”

….after the attention get, after the cold read, after the story…you will hit the social hook point (RSD Julien calls it that) where she’s cool to chat.
Then you need to push for the sexual hook point – where she actively wants to talk to you – and not just to shoot the shit.
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The foundation of my game, is that I’m an interesting dude that people like to talk to.
So if that’s what you’re aiming for, keep reading my stuff.

If you’re more of a hard charging alpha, “my way or the highway”, I can’t tell you how to do that successfully all the time.

-Archie

Guys come to the game mostly based on the fact that chicks are not rational, reasonable, accountable, or willing to follow through.

– “Is there something I can do to make her behavior consistent?”
– “I behave consistently, why doesn’t she follow my lead?”
– “When I change it up, she gets mad.  When she changes it up, and I get mad, she gets mad at me for being mad at her…”

What game seems to do is explain some of their behavior – finds the internal logic.

Once you start viewing women through some of the game philosophies – things start to make a lot of sense.

What game hasn’t answered sufficiently in my opinion – is what to do to make something work long term.

She has to want it to work on an emotional level, not a logical one.

A chick will divorce you with 7 kids to parent and feed (See Brad Pitt)

So the work around has been to feed her emotional things to keep her mind occupied.   But like exercise or a cat with a string – it gets bored and wants new challenges.

Thus there’s a bunch of things that guys have come up with – but overall – these chicks still get bored.

Betas buy her stuff, take her places, give her children.
Alphas are dismissive, don’t care about her feelings.
Players come through and listen to her thoughts, and give her insight on life.

None of it is good enough for all women for all of the time.

You can screen upfront, but unless you keep the chick locked in the basement – she’s going to get new information, new wants, new desires, and new feelings.

So you’re constantly having to keep her in check.

And then there are those guys that are so focused on self, and only intermittently turn their attention to females – and they give them quality time…but then it’s back to the program.

So if she wants those feelings, she has to work for them, because just her being there, just her giving sex is NOT enough.

Switch the game up.

More later.

-Archie

Got this cued up to my favorite part of this song…

• Baby, be mellow
• and be sweet
• forget about the diet, sit down and eat
• losing that weight you don’t
• because the more you got, the more I want…

But let the whole thing rock out.  James had a whole lot of game.  The very end, where he’s setting up the punch line….that’s how you run proper Black Man game…

This ain’t about James though.  Two failed post in the two days.

On Sed Fast, there’s an old thread that’s tangentially about 10’s.  But there’s an interesting point about some of the dissonance with the ten thing.

Let’s Get the Definition of a 10 out of the Way

I’m not gonna post those kinda pics on my site.   But there are considered 10’s.

These are legit fashion models

Here’s another set of 10’s – The Victoria Secret Angel’s

If you’re here – with Archie – reading my stuff, your idea of a 10 is probably not in line with these “objective” 10s.    If you’re the sort of person that dreams of flying off to Moldova and learning a slavic language to slay tall skinny girls….well….

But when guys talk about the game, they talk about how they feel, and that their game lacks when chatting up these “10’s”.

I have questions

1. First of all, where they finding these objective 10 type chicks?  But more importantly….
2. Is it true/”deep in your balls” sort of attraction?  Or is attraction that’s socially conditioned?  Like when you see one of these cat eyed looking giraffes, are you thinking to yourself, “Man I want to put a baby in that womb now, I’ll worry about the consequences later..”

But those are pre-lim questions – talk amongst yoruselves.

What really got this whole thing sparked, (aside from being able to highlight one of my favorite James Brown moments in one of my fave James Brown songs) is the idea of

The more you got, the more I want.

Sometimes you come across a chick that is conventionally attractive, but she’s not quite the socially approved objective 10.

In our community, it might be a relative 10.  Say a Beyonce or a Teyana Taylor (She’s in the latest Kanye video – Fade) or a Diane Guerrero (Orange is the New Black).

I’m kinda not talking about that chick either.

Sometimes you…”get a whiff” of a chick..and that scent goes straight to the reptile part of your brain.  The part that controls fighting and hunger.   Like you just want to the tear the chick out of the frame, full on animal lust.

You veterans know what I’m talking about.  Like a man dying from thirst comes across an oasis, and drinks for hours.

My question is, when faced with something that hits you deep in your balls

Does your game get better?

That of course leads my mind to think of other things

• If that hunger drives my game to get good, how can I do things that will inspire it.
• How do I recognize that hunger?  Have I been in that state of mind before, but didn’t know what it was, nor how to capitalize on it….

-Archie

[Ed. Trying to work through a backlog of half finished pieces]

This one was sparked the a comment on the forum about needing to have all your internal stuff sorted out before you can pull 1) quantity, 2) quality.

https://youtu.be/z63fnMzKTwo

 

If you do this long enough, if you pay attention , you’ll see all sorts of guys pull.  There are all sorts of rackets to having sex.   Only one of which is “Cold Approach Conversion Game”

So when I hear a young guy coming into the game talking about having to build up internally in order to get chicks, I just shake my head.

I look at the guys that I know get a fair amount of trim, and some of them are emotionally healthy, and others have deep issues.

I’ve mentioned one of the dudes before. He’s a full on sex addict. He has four kids, three different mothers, and will still spend his time in clubs.

When he can’t get out, he’ll order up a pro. I’ve seen him work, and heard his pulls. Flash game to get her open, then drills down on her insecurity.

He’s not really right in his life. Either he’s deeply insecure or he’s overly full of himself.

But he pulls like crazy despite not being together mentally.  Indeed, it’s his faults that probably *help* him pull.

Bagging chicks is a skillset. Arguably it’s a mindset, but that’s for later

Famous Players that have the Skill Set, but don’t necessarily

• Mystery – Most famously with his break down in the game
• Style – according to him in his latest book
• Tyler – again, we’ve seen that
• Some of the other RSD instructors who’ve attracted notoriety over the years

Now, to be fair, if you want to teach pick up professionally, it’s a lot of dealing with young girls drama, and a whole lot of handling people.  On top of that, you’re dealing with male personalities and egos.   The nature of the work isn’t as conducive to mental calm as say library science.

Outside of our world, crazy chicks pull guys.   Within my community, when a guy dates a crazy chick, the assumption is that the pussy must be bananas.

“Whoa, she slashed your tires dawg?  Bet that gunch is fire..”

Game is a skill set.

• See the girl.  Approach. Start the conversation.
• Dazzle her.  Get her to invest and double down.
• Give her some rapport,
• Find someplace to get cozy
• Read Qur’an verses to each other.

Maybe your mindset and internals give you bad body language,  poor micro-expressions, but these are things that you can smooth over with practice.  If you needed a shrink to work out all of your mommy and daddy issues, no one would get laid.

-Archie

The content of the routine/opener/conversation is only 7% important.  The sub-communication, the “real” conversation is 93% important.

Technically, the 93% refers to expressing emotion.  So while not actually true for general communication – since we’re trying to influence the emotions – i.e. make her feel good, surprise her, use novelty – 93% is good enough for government work.

Stepping up, being confident, know that there’s going to be a reaction as a result of what you say – is why the routines work.  It’s why jokes work.  It’s why sales scripts work.

And taking the randomness out of it, reducing people to just variables is why a lot of dry dick mf’ers and arm chair seducers hate it.

Those of us who actually like sex will use what works and worry about the degradation of the arts later.

Now, I definitely push a more “technical” side of the game, but that’s not because the deeper concepts aren’t useful.  It’s just that it’s through the technique that you understand the deeper concepts.

• When you can reliably start a conversation
• When you know the right time to touch a girl’s elbow during that conversation
• When you see the physical proof and her behavior changes as you take her through various emotions through what you say, don’t say, how you touch, and don’t touch…

When those things happen – you start to see the deeper picture.  When I affect her emotional state, when I make her feel something, she starts to like me.   And arguably it’s because she likes the way she feels when she’s around you.

“She said she feel free when she’s around me
I’m letting her do her and, in turn, she’s doing me
She on the phone with her friends like, “How cool is he?”

For me at least, I’ve always been concerned about transference of feelings.

She doesn’t like me, she just likes the way I make her feel.

That thought pattern leads to bad things.  It could be that these chicks don’t ever really like us for us…but real rap, a lot of the time we don’t like them for them.  For what they look like, for what they do for us. But as people…. Tell me I’m lying….

-Archie

This is the man himself.   Pickup/Game has come pretty far since the late 90’s, but Mystery was the guy who basically cracked the code.

By cracking the code I mean, he figured out what the guys that were good with women were doing, and what regular guys were doing wrong.

That being said, usually when I big up Mys, it’s this “model’, more so than his method.

1. See, Walk Over, Get Her Attention, Show some personality.
2. When she bites, make her invest more, before you give her validation.
3. Try and get some quiet time with her to build up the trust.
4. Then excuse yourself from the environment and head back to your spot.
5. From there, read the Bible together

It doesn’t sound like much, it sounds obvious.

But the real kicker is that most guys try to build rapport and find commonalities with a chick before she’s even got a taste of their personality.

You hear it reflected in the culture.

Chris Rock said, “You ain’t ever gonna find someone that likes Seinfeld and Wu Tang” – the underlying premise is that men are looking for women with similar interests, and that’s part of how we try to attract women.

So as far as I’m concerned, Mystery observing naturals and backwards engineering what they did – basically figured out that guys good with women weren’t seeking rapport right off the bat.  They’d show personality, and only when the chick started digging them, did they even think about changing gears…

Now that particular insight doesn’t really, in my mind at least, connect with everything else that he did, does, or figured out.

So on to video.

I think the strongest part was at the beginning. (and he says later on in the 3 videos that the 1st 10 minutes of a comedian’s act carries you through the entire act – which is why having some good canned material is great – to which I agree)

How you get good at game?  Master the 3 set.

1 – master the three set
2 – merge sets – The set of people you just talked to, merge them with a new set of people.
3 – invite last night’s girls out
4 – invite last weeks girls out
5 – invite last months girls out

^each little step builds on itself. Merging Set 1 with Set 2, makes opening set 3 and 4 way easier.

Now when I’m killing it, and other folks are in earshot, of course they open easier. And I do like to introduce people from time to time.

But I’m imagining doing all of this on purpose. Next bar I go to, I can basically put it in my head that I’m trying to be the guy that’s trying to get the whole place hype. Just by lightly cold approaching a lot of sets with good energy and no agenda, but also merging sets regularly – any and all targets become warm because NO GUY DOES THIS. Tall guys, rich guys, meatheads, even gift of gab type dudes.

Club behavior the world over is come with your little group, and stay in the group.  All groups are little ice cubes (cold and small, differentiated), until the music, liquor and atmosphere melt them down to water again.

Imagine you’re the heat. That’s what I’m thinking.

My typical m.o.  – I’ll go from set to set, get logistics from the girls, hit the dance floor, drank a drank, and then come back sets where 1) I like the chicks, 2) the logistics look good.

It’s in a sense screening, indirect, modified sniper sort of game. But now I’m thinking I can talk to the entire club like normal BUT merge sets.

Because of social proof, I can turn a lot of red lights to yellow, and yellow lights to green as chicks are like “Who’s that Ziggy Marley looking mf’er that’s cool with everyone?”

To an extent, I’ve done this before, but it was unconscious.That’s what happens when you build a circuit over weeks/months with various clubs. By actively merging sets, I can cut that time down considerably now.

More importantly, a man can run this type of game and not really put his ego at risk. He can just be a host and let the girls warm up to him. Build that false familiarity up. (We haven’t talked false familiarity yet, but go out enough and be seen – your club family will see you out and about in your town.  Even if you’ve never so much as exchanged words – just being a familiar face puts them at ease.

This is bridging the gap of cold approach to building a social circle where you are at the center.

It’s long game.
It’s promoter game.

Imagine running this type of game at a business networking event.

-Archie