Author: Archie

I’ve Always Hated Models by Manson

This ugly post brought back the hatred once again.

There have been plenty of PUA naysayers and Player Haters throughout the years.  Females obviously.  Then guys like Aaron Sleazy.  And even more guys saying this Guru is bad, but MY STUFF IS THE TRUTH…

How could I hate such in inoffensive book from Entropy aka Manson?

First, Vulnerability

“So the catch is that everything you say must be as authentic as possible. There’s no shortcut. There are no tricks. You say it because you mean it and mean it because you say it. The more nervous it makes you, the better, because it means you’re being authentic and making yourself vulnerable. How attractive you are is based on your confident behavior. Your confident behavior is based on how vulnerable you’re able to make yourself. And how vulnerable you’re able to make yourself is based on how honest you are to yourself and others.”

He doesn’t actually mean “vulnerability” in the common sense, but that’s how it’s taken.

Second, Show genuine interest

Don’t try to “be cool” and “act like you’re not interested,” by honestly expressing your interest in dating someone, you shortcut the “invsetment paradox” and demonstrate both interest and confidence at the same time. If a guy weren’t fearless about being rejected, he wouldn’t have the confidence to honestly express his attraction to a woman. This is “True Honesty”.

What kind of fantasy world does this guy live in?

Third, Using the Traffic Light Paradigm.

Think of splitting women you’re interested in into three categories: Receptive, Neutral, and Unreceptive:

Pick Up especially, and Game in general, is not for RECEPTIVE GIRLS.

I remember rapping with RSD Luke, and he said something about being pulling Asian girls after learning Game, and felt unsatisfied.  “I could have gotten you without game. I’m not getting a chance to use my game” (If Tubby can pull like Patrice and Biggie did, he’s someone to learn from.)

PUA has always been about the yellow and red light girls.  In fact, the green lighr girls who get taken for granted, often need a surgical touch.

At some point, i’ll do a point by point refutation of Models.

The Importance of the D Game

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/hz80lt/if_you_are_great_at_sex_are_plates_less_likely_to/

Common said, “Great sex is not gonna keep you” (From The Light)

But 50 Cent said

A lot has been said about the necessity of great sex to keep the girl.  The thing is, chicks stay in sexless marriages.

Too much pepperoni makes one tired of pizza.  Moreover, the physical aspects of the act that brought you to the game in the first place, start to peter off, as her charms no longer affect you.

Your love fades. Her love fades.  Who goes first is a matter of contention in the community.

So why stay?  And if it fades, why chase down another one?

I’m just asking questions here, not giving any answers.

These Guys Want to Keep 10’s

This is standard PUA ad copy.   But I think given some of the notables in our industry, keeping a hot girl around, dating her is very important to a lot of guys.

This desire to keep a hot girl as a girlfriend is what truly divides a PUA and a Red Pill Man.

This quote later in the thread is actually pretty good.

Chris Rock has a great stand up routine about this. He says: “Every woman has at least two men in her life, the guy she’s fucking and the guy she’s supposed be fucking, and a lot of guys are laughing right now because they don’t know which one they are.”

I used to answer this question the PUA way

  • Cold Approach Skills is not enough to keep a girl interested.
  • Look at yourself, do you have more than your pickup flow chart words?  Which was essentially, do you have any LTR traits, aka Blue Pill/Beta Provider traits?
  • Are you regaming her as necessary?

All the standard stuff, because at the core of the PUA’s existence, the woman is the prize to be won and kept.

Nowadays?  I don’t see the upside of having a girl in your life all the time.

And as all of you well know, the less long term value that you put on a woman, and the more she understands that you do not see her that way, the more she wants to be put into that category – and has “pick me” behaviors to do so.

LOL.

The Pickmeisha is the bane of existence for a certain sort of woman.  For the man, her behavior is a false promise.  As soon as her talons sink in, she starts to rend the flesh.

Stay Strong Brothers

Seeding the Bounce happens Early in the Interaction

Getting someone back to your place?
byu/throwaway58937297 inseduction

A bit more of the Game 101 posts.

Normal guy hits it off with the girl, and then realizes that maybe he can take her home.  So now what?

First thing the guy needs to change in his mind is how he think that WOMEN THINK ABOUT SEX.  They love it. They want more of it.  And like anything that women want and desire, she wants all of the good and none of the bad.

So the man has to start any interaction with a woman with the idea that she will be interested in seeing him later on.  To that end, if they are in environment 1 (day time coffee shop, night time swing dance session), he needs to create an opportunity for them to move to a second environment.

This is called seeding the bounce.

So he should have started the chat with that in mind.  Felt her out.  Found either specific commonalities of the girl (The Urkel way) or generalities that every girl likes (The Tyrone Way).

My man Mufasa has great Betty Crocker game.  He hollas at chicks, gets some rhythm, develops some sexual tension, and then asks if she likes sweets, and then mentions he wants to bake a cake at his place.  They literally go bake a Betty Crocker cake, and one thing leads to another.

There’s a two-fer here.

Seeding the Bounce is the mentioning the cake.

Plausible Deniability is that they’re only going to his house to apply some frosting.

That’s old hat though.

But what happens when the Veteran is rapping with some females and he notices a spark with one of em?  In my old age, I’m not always on on the make.  As The Great Moma once, said “I’ll take a lay up”.

With no seeding of the bounce or plausible deniability, how does one develop a conversation at happy hour to waffles in the morning?

The rookie and the veteran can take what the girl is saying, seriously.

Chica – “…..and that’s why I think that Mets might take it all the way this year”

Veteran – eye contact, pause, cock his head, squint his eyes – questioning tone – “You really feel that way?” – let her fill the void.

The move here is to go from a standard bar/club chat to one where she thinks that she “reached” you.  Like she’s talking to the real person behind the player facade, and she gets to be her true self.

Creating a moment like this, where the conversation gets out of the PUA flowchart is understanding Game, and hitting those emotional notes.

In this new mood, the next play is a bold one, but

Veteran – “I want to talk to you a bit longer….”

And now he can insert his bounce with some plausible deniability.

-Archie

Unprompted Declarations of Love are a Bad Idea

Again, these things obvious to me as hell, but I remember wanting to tell the little red haired girl how I felt about her.

Im gonna tell a girl that I like her.
byu/elboss2011 inseduction

These types of posts get upvoted all the time on seddit/reddit.  But it’s unfair to the girl and generally bad game.

That said, there are certain lessons I can only learn from making mistakes.  This seems to be one of them.

How should a man handle a crush?  He should handle it like a player.  Hit the chick up with some proper game.

Well maybe not like this.

Waiting for Choosing Signals is Bad Game

Trouble picking up signals.
byu/biglombow inseduction

It’s all the rage now with BMG meeting The Red Pill meeting Youtube, but choosing signals has always been problematic in the game.

PAIMAI (pre approach invitation, male approach invitation) was something guys used to run into the clubs.  Out handling his business, and a chick/and her friends would verbally or nonverbally signal that they wanted him to approach.

  • Looking and trying not to get caught
  • Looking and trying to get caught
  • Staring
  • Getting into a guy’s proximity
  • Bumping into him
  • Inviting herself into his conversation
  • Asking him a dumb question
  • Asking him to go out.

This is just the sort of thing that Newbs want. They do not want to take risks, they want certainty.  Their ego is at stake and it must be preserved at all costs.

And!! And as a guy gets better in his game, starts reading social signals, he’ll realize that he’s getting a lot more choosing signals than he realizes.

The Game is not for reaction, but for action.  Being proactive and going after girls that the rookie likes, versus the girls that like him is what is going to get him to learn the ropes.

Technique Matters

Focus Less On Pick Up Techniques And More On Building The Man
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I see a lot of this in this most recent generation of PUA and Red Pill guys.  They are building themselves into generic “awesome” guys that “magically” get girls.

This is a tight rope.  The OG guys in the pick up game, prior to the Mystery Model revolution, ran the gamut from nerdy Ross Jeffries types to more standard cool guy/alpha types like Zan Perrion.  There was no need to work out, look good, make money, because the community figured out that those were not the real moving parts in any pull.  Guys had muscles and didn’t have girls. They had money and didn’t have girls.  They were funny and popular, good at socializing, but did not know how to use those things to get girls.

The scene did not blow up until technique came to the forefront.  Building off a general framework and timeline, allowed the scene to develop.  After those things were solidified, those existing elements elevated the game.

 

False Dichotomies

High energy vs low energy. Which is better, and personality type.
byu/SadBananaCat inseduction

Guys come at The Game thinking it’s like buying a Jackstand from Harbor Freight.

I’m going to be 99% myself, I just need to tweak my personality about 1%.

To get “good” with girls, and by good I mean being able to talk to them confidently, express one’s self, and move the ball towards the goal – usually requires wholesale personality change.

Low Energy (James Marshall) or High Energy (Tyler Durden) does not really matter.  What matters is changing of self.  There’s something attractive about those guys (who are for the most part not classically attractive, Tyler in particular) that uses manic energy or low action/intensity that hits notes in the girl.

The key to any sort of game is hitting those notes, those subconscious drives.

    • The Tall, Good Looking, Guy hits that primal/sexual “urge to merge”.
    • The funny guy hits a mischievous note.
    • The cool “sigma” guy hits a mysterious note.
    • The flamboyant artist hits another note.

However a man wants to style his game, the key will always be delivering those emotions.

 

The Audacity of Nope

“I don’t look at it like a transgression at all,” Pinkett said. “Through that particular journey, I learned so much about myself and was able to really confront a lot of emotional immaturity [and] emotional insecurity.”

I have not wanted to touch on this topic because everyone and their brother already is.

^This is the traditional black man’s game perspective, which is essentially what one would get from The Red Pill without the venom.

I do not have anything to add.

One of the standard issues I see on the other side of the fence is a lot of whinging from guys new to the ANCIENT perspective.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/hqu9la/the_redpill_has_made_me_scared_of_the_average/

You can see my reply below.

The Red Pill, traditional BMG, Pimp Game, All Game should not put a man in a prison.

Instead, it should make him free.

No need to do anything other than put himself first.

-Archie