Q: Archie – I thought this chick was feeling me, but when I ask for the meet, she says, “I’ll let you know”
A. If a chick hits you with the “I’ll let you know” that’s a “no” not a “know”
[Ed. This video has nothing to do with the topic, I just find it comical]
Overall, dissecting the problem is that to get to that point of “I’ll let you know” – you had to spark some initial interest/attraction and then lose it.
If
1) the chick opened,
2) and you ran your material/showed value
3) and you she wanted to hear more,
4) and to get more from you, you made her invest
She’s on. This ain’t rocket science. As much as guys want to overcomplicate things, this is basically how all the styles work.
– Pretty boy steps up, yammers – the value is his prettiness. She wants more, he makes her invest.
– Meathead steps up, yammers, the value is in the muscles, to bang her, he makes her invest.
– Player steps up, yammers, the value is in how he is making her feel in the moment. To bang her, he makes her invest.
So it’s guys getting weak opens (like environmental openers that are “clever” but don’t actually push a girl’s emotional buttons), and then assuming the rest.
I can’t assume sexual/physical attraction. She might purse her lips, or bring her legs together, or give off some sort of biological tell – but she might need to pee. Her twirling her hair might be interest, might be what she does when she’s bored.
Yet, getting her to play along, and to further invest is something I can see, verify, and keep on doing.
They get to the end where they go for the #/kiss/instadate/bang – and suddenly the girl’s not interested.
I used to run into this shit all the time. Then I realized I needed to really push the emotions harder. The good pulls I had, the chick was REALLY feeling what I had to say. But I was focusing on the material, not so much the [b]depth of the emotional reaction[/b]. That’s the roller coaster that we keep talking about.
So to focus on that, if I had a chick giggling, i’d hammer on that a minute or two then switch gears. She’s laughing, now she’s defending herself for laughing too much. Switch, switch, switch – whatever she thought initially, however she felt – I’ve changed her mood and have now changed her mind. This is what good customer service reps do. It’s not that hard to adapt to game.
I don’t want a giggle, I want her sides to hurt when she laughs at my shit. Whatever emotion I think is possible, I want it to be on 10, not 0.5.
And people get sold TV’s, newspaper subscriptions, loan products, life insurance, and switch electric companies when they go to the grocery store. You go into Wal-Mart for some oil filters and end up picking up shit on the way. It’s not an accident.
People’s ability to control their urges is not that strong. The real problem is that they don’t have the money to buy everything they want.
The Double Bind, something that lots of debate people to trap people into statements. Now if you’re debating, it’s a dirty trick. But if you’re flirting, its fun for the girl.
Rather than bore a chick with your bragging or humble bragging, invite her to play using a double bind.
How to set it up
1) Come in with the opener,
2) She doesn’t hear you
3) You turn the topic of conversation away from what you had in mind, and on to her in playful manner
– it’s an accusation that she has to defend herself against
– it’s a cold read
– it’s a tease
– it’s a flirt
IT’S INTERESTING TO HER.
And not in an intellectual way. She probably has enough boring conversations at the job. So focus on flirting and having fun. Giving her something to play with. That’s what I go for, and what I think you should go for. Plus this is something you can do during night game, day game, online game, and social circle game. It’s sexy without touching on sex.
4) She’s going to keep playing this game where she’s the center of the discussion.
And that’s where you want it to be
But Archie, I just reached the top of Mt. Everest
She doesn’t care. She doesn’t care about that stuff, because she doesn’t care about you. You know what she cares about? HER
Chances are that whatever you were going to say initially isn’t going to give you this sort of reaction that flirting will, and a double bind is a good little conversational piece to keep in your back pocket.
Remember, often times you need to go off of your “script” – and focus on the here and now of the conversation.
That means the conversation should focus on
– her
– you and her
You want the girl to be mentally engaged and talking to you – so even if you had this killer story or joke planned, there’s no real point in going back to what you were saying until you get her interested in you.
All that cool bragging stuff that you want to lead with, You need to let that go.
But now that she is chatting – you have to move the ball forward.
So you throw a double bind at her, and now she’s playing with you.
I was searching for ‘opener’ info and saw some of your posts on rooshv forum. There was one thread where I think you advised to never open with any sort of compliment – even one not directed at her beauty, but at maybe an item of clothing or something. ”Hey, I like your trainers!” sort of thing.
Can you confirm that this is ‘bad’ practice? Lots of people do this on infield clips I see.
How would you open a girl in a bar – say 11pm in a small bar in a local town?
On Compliments
1) Compliment openers are not for guys new to the game.
a) That’s what regular guys do
b) You don’t want to do what regular guys do
c) If a girl doesn’t value your opinion, then it’s more of an annoyance
d) Even if it starts the conversation – it doesn’t really show much personality on your part – and no personality = no value. So on the shot clock, you’ve wasted valuable seconds.
There are good ways to do compliment openers – but it’s only after you get used to talking to girls, and hitting the emotional high notes and craziness that they like.
I could do it, but a guy new to the game probably couldn’t.
West Indians use compliments to open all the time – but they’re not earnest compliments.
Dread – “Gyal yuh suh sweet dat di mango knock yuh door fi sugar”
In English – “Girl you’re so sweet that the mango knocks on your door for sugar. ”
The compliment is so ridiculous and over the top, and delivered with a smile – that the point of the compliment is not the content themselves – but the preposterous nature.
It shows creativity and personality, much more than tells the girl that she’s sweet.
It makes a chick laugh. And when you make someone laugh, that’s them falling in to your frame. You doing stuff to control their moods and emotions.
An example from General Degree
Square guys, newbs – they’ll say,
“Your eyes are so beautiful. “
That’s an earnest compliment – and from some stranger – it means nothing.
“Nice shoes” – if she’s wearing heels, and they’re sexy – it’s not really giving her anything to work with, to react from.
Replace it with, “I know exactly what you want right now” – “A nice pair of comfy bunny rabbit slippers with the ears..”
2) Small Bar in a Local Town
Keep in mind this West Indian Archie – a black guy writing about game for Black, Latino, Indian, Asian, and Middle Eastern guys – I (we) have to be mindful in Small Town America.
Some of my majority-American readers would not have to be mindful, and could come in hard and direct and sexual from the very beginning.
In general,
– I’d approach from the side
– I’d be loud
– Turn to her and say
“You look like a person/lady/woman who….” <-cold read works better than environmental openers because she might have missed whatever you’re noticing
– Give it a few seconds
– If she reacts positive/negative or does nothing – follow it up with whatever I started
Now I talk a lot in general, I can improvise on the spot. You might not have those skills yet. So think about something that happened to you today.
Turn it into an opener by 1) cold read to open, 2) follow up with a story that gives her a chance to give her input
I’m writing this a few days after the 1st big Clinton Trump debate, so I might go with a current event.
“Did you hear Donald Trump sniffing…You think he’s on coke? That’s what they’re saying online”
….after the attention get, after the cold read, after the story…you will hit the social hook point (RSD Julien calls it that) where she’s cool to chat.
Then you need to push for the sexual hook point – where she actively wants to talk to you – and not just to shoot the shit.
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The foundation of my game, is that I’m an interesting dude that people like to talk to.
So if that’s what you’re aiming for, keep reading my stuff.
If you’re more of a hard charging alpha, “my way or the highway”, I can’t tell you how to do that successfully all the time.
Guys come to the game mostly based on the fact that chicks are not rational, reasonable, accountable, or willing to follow through.
– “Is there something I can do to make her behavior consistent?”
– “I behave consistently, why doesn’t she follow my lead?”
– “When I change it up, she gets mad. When she changes it up, and I get mad, she gets mad at me for being mad at her…”
What game seems to do is explain some of their behavior – finds the internal logic.
Once you start viewing women through some of the game philosophies – things start to make a lot of sense.
What game hasn’t answered sufficiently in my opinion – is what to do to make something work long term.
She has to want it to work on an emotional level, not a logical one.
A chick will divorce you with 7 kids to parent and feed (See Brad Pitt)
So the work around has been to feed her emotional things to keep her mind occupied. But like exercise or a cat with a string – it gets bored and wants new challenges.
Thus there’s a bunch of things that guys have come up with – but overall – these chicks still get bored.
Betas buy her stuff, take her places, give her children.
Alphas are dismissive, don’t care about her feelings.
Players come through and listen to her thoughts, and give her insight on life.
None of it is good enough for all women for all of the time.
You can screen upfront, but unless you keep the chick locked in the basement – she’s going to get new information, new wants, new desires, and new feelings.
So you’re constantly having to keep her in check.
And then there are those guys that are so focused on self, and only intermittently turn their attention to females – and they give them quality time…but then it’s back to the program.
So if she wants those feelings, she has to work for them, because just her being there, just her giving sex is NOT enough.
Got this cued up to my favorite part of this song…
Baby, be mellow
and be sweet
forget about the diet, sit down and eat
losing that weight you don’t
because the more you got, the more I want…
But let the whole thing rock out. James had a whole lot of game. The very end, where he’s setting up the punch line….that’s how you run proper Black Man game…
This ain’t about James though. Two failed post in the two days.
On Sed Fast, there’s an old thread that’s tangentially about 10’s. But there’s an interesting point about some of the dissonance with the ten thing.
Let’s Get the Definition of a 10 out of the Way
I’m not gonna post those kinda pics on my site. But there are considered 10’s.
If you’re here – with Archie – reading my stuff, your idea of a 10 is probably not in line with these “objective” 10s. If you’re the sort of person that dreams of flying off to Moldova and learning a slavic language to slay tall skinny girls….well….
But when guys talk about the game, they talk about how they feel, and that their game lacks when chatting up these “10’s”.
I have questions
First of all, where they finding these objective 10 type chicks? But more importantly….
Is it true/”deep in your balls” sort of attraction? Or is attraction that’s socially conditioned? Like when you see one of these cat eyed looking giraffes, are you thinking to yourself, “Man I want to put a baby in that womb now, I’ll worry about the consequences later..”
But those are pre-lim questions – talk amongst yoruselves.
What really got this whole thing sparked, (aside from being able to highlight one of my favorite James Brown moments in one of my fave James Brown songs) is the idea of
The more you got, the more I want.
Sometimes you come across a chick that is conventionally attractive, but she’s not quite the socially approved objective 10.
In our community, it might be a relative 10. Say a Beyonce or a Teyana Taylor (She’s in the latest Kanye video – Fade) or a Diane Guerrero (Orange is the New Black).
I’m kinda not talking about that chick either.
Sometimes you…”get a whiff” of a chick..and that scent goes straight to the reptile part of your brain. The part that controls fighting and hunger. Like you just want to the tear the chick out of the frame, full on animal lust.
You veterans know what I’m talking about. Like a man dying from thirst comes across an oasis, and drinks for hours.
My question is, when faced with something that hits you deep in your balls
Does your game get better?
That of course leads my mind to think of other things
If that hunger drives my game to get good, how can I do things that will inspire it.
How do I recognize that hunger? Have I been in that state of mind before, but didn’t know what it was, nor how to capitalize on it….
[Ed. Trying to work through a backlog of half finished pieces]
This one was sparked the a comment on the forum about needing to have all your internal stuff sorted out before you can pull 1) quantity, 2) quality.
https://youtu.be/z63fnMzKTwo
If you do this long enough, if you pay attention , you’ll see all sorts of guys pull. There are all sorts of rackets to having sex. Only one of which is “Cold Approach Conversion Game”
So when I hear a young guy coming into the game talking about having to build up internally in order to get chicks, I just shake my head.
I look at the guys that I know get a fair amount of trim, and some of them are emotionally healthy, and others have deep issues.
I’ve mentioned one of the dudes before. He’s a full on sex addict. He has four kids, three different mothers, and will still spend his time in clubs.
When he can’t get out, he’ll order up a pro. I’ve seen him work, and heard his pulls. Flash game to get her open, then drills down on her insecurity.
He’s not really right in his life. Either he’s deeply insecure or he’s overly full of himself.
But he pulls like crazy despite not being together mentally. Indeed, it’s his faults that probably *help* him pull.
Bagging chicks is a skillset. Arguably it’s a mindset, but that’s for later
Famous Players that have the Skill Set, but don’t necessarily
Mystery – Most famously with his break down in the game
Style – according to him in his latest book
Tyler – again, we’ve seen that
Some of the other RSD instructors who’ve attracted notoriety over the years
Now, to be fair, if you want to teach pick up professionally, it’s a lot of dealing with young girls drama, and a whole lot of handling people. On top of that, you’re dealing with male personalities and egos. The nature of the work isn’t as conducive to mental calm as say library science.
Outside of our world, crazy chicks pull guys. Within my community, when a guy dates a crazy chick, the assumption is that the pussy must be bananas.
“Whoa, she slashed your tires dawg? Bet that gunch is fire..”
Game is a skill set.
See the girl. Approach. Start the conversation.
Dazzle her. Get her to invest and double down.
Give her some rapport,
Find someplace to get cozy
Read Qur’an verses to each other.
Maybe your mindset and internals give you bad body language, poor micro-expressions, but these are things that you can smooth over with practice. If you needed a shrink to work out all of your mommy and daddy issues, no one would get laid.
The content of the routine/opener/conversation is only 7% important. The sub-communication, the “real” conversation is 93% important.
Technically, the 93% refers to expressing emotion. So while not actually true for general communication – since we’re trying to influence the emotions – i.e. make her feel good, surprise her, use novelty – 93% is good enough for government work.
Stepping up, being confident, know that there’s going to be a reaction as a result of what you say – is why the routines work. It’s why jokes work. It’s why sales scripts work.
And taking the randomness out of it, reducing people to just variables is why a lot of dry dick mf’ers and arm chair seducers hate it.
Those of us who actually like sex will use what works and worry about the degradation of the arts later.
Now, I definitely push a more “technical” side of the game, but that’s not because the deeper concepts aren’t useful. It’s just that it’s through the technique that you understand the deeper concepts.
When you can reliably start a conversation
When you know the right time to touch a girl’s elbow during that conversation
When you see the physical proof and her behavior changes as you take her through various emotions through what you say, don’t say, how you touch, and don’t touch…
When those things happen – you start to see the deeper picture. When I affect her emotional state, when I make her feel something, she starts to like me. And arguably it’s because she likes the way she feels when she’s around you.
For me at least, I’ve always been concerned about transference of feelings.
She doesn’t like me, she just likes the way I make her feel.
That thought pattern leads to bad things. It could be that these chicks don’t ever really like us for us…but real rap, a lot of the time we don’t like them for them. For what they look like, for what they do for us. But as people…. Tell me I’m lying….
This is the man himself. Pickup/Game has come pretty far since the late 90’s, but Mystery was the guy who basically cracked the code.
By cracking the code I mean, he figured out what the guys that were good with women were doing, and what regular guys were doing wrong.
That being said, usually when I big up Mys, it’s this “model’, more so than his method.
See, Walk Over, Get Her Attention, Show some personality.
When she bites, make her invest more, before you give her validation.
Try and get some quiet time with her to build up the trust.
Then excuse yourself from the environment and head back to your spot.
From there, read the Bible together
It doesn’t sound like much, it sounds obvious.
But the real kicker is that most guys try to build rapport and find commonalities with a chick before she’s even got a taste of their personality.
You hear it reflected in the culture.
Chris Rock said, “You ain’t ever gonna find someone that likes Seinfeld and Wu Tang” – the underlying premise is that men are looking for women with similar interests, and that’s part of how we try to attract women.
So as far as I’m concerned, Mystery observing naturals and backwards engineering what they did – basically figured out that guys good with women weren’t seeking rapport right off the bat. They’d show personality, and only when the chick started digging them, did they even think about changing gears…
Now that particular insight doesn’t really, in my mind at least, connect with everything else that he did, does, or figured out.
So on to video.
I think the strongest part was at the beginning. (and he says later on in the 3 videos that the 1st 10 minutes of a comedian’s act carries you through the entire act – which is why having some good canned material is great – to which I agree)
How you get good at game? Master the 3 set.
1 – master the three set
2 – merge sets – The set of people you just talked to, merge them with a new set of people.
3 – invite last night’s girls out
4 – invite last weeks girls out
5 – invite last months girls out
^each little step builds on itself. Merging Set 1 with Set 2, makes opening set 3 and 4 way easier.
Now when I’m killing it, and other folks are in earshot, of course they open easier. And I do like to introduce people from time to time.
But I’m imagining doing all of this on purpose. Next bar I go to, I can basically put it in my head that I’m trying to be the guy that’s trying to get the whole place hype. Just by lightly cold approaching a lot of sets with good energy and no agenda, but also merging sets regularly – any and all targets become warm because NO GUY DOES THIS. Tall guys, rich guys, meatheads, even gift of gab type dudes.
Club behavior the world over is come with your little group, and stay in the group. All groups are little ice cubes (cold and small, differentiated), until the music, liquor and atmosphere melt them down to water again.
Imagine you’re the heat. That’s what I’m thinking.
My typical m.o. – I’ll go from set to set, get logistics from the girls, hit the dance floor, drank a drank, and then come back sets where 1) I like the chicks, 2) the logistics look good.
It’s in a sense screening, indirect, modified sniper sort of game. But now I’m thinking I can talk to the entire club like normal BUT merge sets.
Because of social proof, I can turn a lot of red lights to yellow, and yellow lights to green as chicks are like “Who’s that Ziggy Marley looking mf’er that’s cool with everyone?”
To an extent, I’ve done this before, but it was unconscious.That’s what happens when you build a circuit over weeks/months with various clubs. By actively merging sets, I can cut that time down considerably now.
More importantly, a man can run this type of game and not really put his ego at risk. He can just be a host and let the girls warm up to him. Build that false familiarity up. (We haven’t talked false familiarity yet, but go out enough and be seen – your club family will see you out and about in your town. Even if you’ve never so much as exchanged words – just being a familiar face puts them at ease.
This is bridging the gap of cold approach to building a social circle where you are at the center.
It’s long game.
It’s promoter game.
Imagine running this type of game at a business networking event.
If my girl starts acting up, then i’ll take her friend
Q. Hey Archie, my girl had a bad day, what should I do?
A.
I’ve faced your situation many a time. After been burned, after getting drained myself I’ve changed my outlook. I than an Eastern European taxi driver that i met last year.
If *her* bad day is forcing you into a situation where you have to manage her emotions by either listening to her bitch and holding your tongue, or banging her –she’s the one in control. She has “hand”. She has the more powerful frame than yours.
This is a bad situation.
The main idea within a relationship for a man/player is NOT
“How can I keep her around?”
but rather
“What is she doing to hold my interest?”
“What is she doing right now to keep ME around?”
If she’s actively losing your interest, or causing you drama – then you need to initiate a sequence
Get her attention
“You’re not constructively solving your problem”
Let her recognize she’s being a bitch or negative or annoying
If she persists, either make her leave, or you leave
Say to her, I’ll contact you when you feel better
Then, *turn off your phone*
This is not about manipulating her, it’s about preserving *yourself* and your own sanity.
When someone gets into this negative spiral, and they’re making you solve their problem it’s abuse. Leave.
I don’t know if the girl is toxic, or she’s codependent or any of that daytime talk show pop psychology stuff – but now I recognize that behavior as being corrosive.
She’s going to blow up your phone, let her. You already told her what she was doing wrong
-Archie
*Also, the game is rarely about manipulating the girl. It is about giving her options, options she didn’t consider.
Q. Hey WIA, I’m having a problem with the pet shop opener and the elderly chat. Should I switch to more direct game?
A. This post might ruffle some feathers, but the pet shop opener is not an easy one to use. Neither is elderly chat easy to use.
Second question first – Should you switch to more direct game?
You need to learn both. You can’t always see a girl and get super sexual and expect her to be with it. (Great for night game, street festivals, and concerts. Basically anything with density and alcohol)
In most game situations, having social savvy will get the P into V better than being a caveman. (learn caveman game though)
The Pet Shop Opener
They’re both easy to understand and are easy on a young player’s ego, but the young player just going out for the first few months might be atsea when it comes to making these canned routines do what they’re supposed to do.
[Ed. Funny how these canned lines don’t get the hate that most of the early 2000’s pua stuff gets. Wait, why am I ‘Ed.-ing’ my own words? ]
Before we dissect these, let’s go back to some Game 101.
You need to believe that it’s possible to get a girl to like a guy from a cold approach.
You need to believe that this is possible for *you*, not some fictional average man out there.
Opening
Opening is just starting the conversation. Strangers start conversations with each other all the time..in our culture that is. Other places I’ve heard, there’s much more social atomization and privacy. And other places (South America, Africa, etc) folks can be much more open armed. It really depends.
Opening, by itself, will not result in a bang. “Hey” is an opener. But “Hey” isn’t a magic word.
That’s openers.
Basic Game Structure
The other piece that needs to be explained is that the basic game structure is
Get attention of young lady
Open the young lady
Show (not tell) your positive qualities (Verbally and Non-Verbally)
Wait for her to show signs, (it gets more complicated – see other posts on Female to Male attraction)
Make her work for your attention/favor before you validate her.
So recap
Opening is simple
Show value, make her chase.
Capiche?
Now when it comes to the pet shop opener, I always envision a guy with a shopping bag seeing a lone girl with her shopping bag in some European city center. But it’s always a day game scenario.
So he sees said lonely girl, he sidles up to her and says
“Do you know where there is a pet shop?”
She replies, but what she says doesn’t really matter.
“Because, I need to go to a pet shop for this reason…” And then he starts rambling. (Talking to her, showing value, but not showing that he’s sexually interested)
And that’s basically it.
The opening line is a question. It’s a fairly interesting question, one that most people don’t get asked. And then the transition is largely seamless and logical.
So the question opens, but it’s the reason (the punch line if you will)that is what really is supposed to get the girl engaged in the conversation.
Using the patented WIA game analysis engine (lol) – what is the sub-communication?
At the top level, you’re asking for help. But by rambling and telling your story, she
Knows that you want to chat (and by stepping up and chatting, like it’s something you do all the time – she can glean that you’re assertive, and this usually goes well for you. So she can be at ease)
Gets a bit of your personality (and that’s a demonstration of who you are)
Here’s the man himself on the topic
Rhetorical Hater – So Archie, you know everything about game, what’s wrong with this?
Hey I’m not game guru, I’m still learning. I ask questions from guys that I respect on the regular.
And nothing is wrong with this. I’ve gotten phone #’s and instadates off this and similar openers. But I didn’t start out with this kind of game. I’d had thousands of night game and social circle conversations before hand.
So breaking it down.
On the plus side, just starting an innocent conversation and talking with a stranger is low stress for the player. Anyone can do this. Rambling and Elderly Chat are the same sort of thing. The only problem that new players have with this is that they run out of things to say. If the girl doesn’t help them, the approach fizzles.
So it doesn’t threaten your mental state in the moment, and you probably have enough inner game strength (ideally) to get started with this. No hits to the ego. No harsh rejections. No insurmountable obstacles. Nothing complicated to memorize.
So of the 4 corners of game, 1) inner game, 2) technique aka outer game – these two are covered.
Rhetorical Hater – Wait, what? 4 corners of the game?
Glad you asked, the other 2 are, 3) Social Context, 4) How the Chick is feeling/What she might be thinking.
Social Context
The homey “Todd Valentine” of RSD fame talks about the social dynamics a bit in one of his products. (I forget which). Every social interaction is one person giving to another. But people have limits to what they’ll give a stranger.
If you went up to a stranger and asked them for 1,000 dollars, they would keep walking. I see homeless people ask for one dollar bills, and women in pant suits keep it moving. Probably pre-dialed the 9 and the 1.
However, If you ask someone for the time, they’ll give it to you.
Am I going in the right direction for the train station? They will point you in the right direction.
Common courtesy, and it only costs the question answerer a little bit of time and minimal effort.
But when you ask for more, more than they’re willing to give, more than the social context requires of the situation, that’s when you meet resistance.
And that’s the hard part about day game. At least at night, the social environment “let’s you assume the best”. *MESSAGE – USING THE ENVIRONMENT TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR YOU, DOUBLED EDGED SWORD*
So in the Pet Shop Scenario – the initial question is asking a little bit more than where is the train station. It’s a subtle thing, but it’s one that we can use to rework the opener. Because you’re draining her a bit to ask the question.
Her feelings!
Now I’ll be the first person to tell you that you shouldn’t really try to figure out exactly what a girl is going to do or say. Keep the poker tactics at the table. “If she thinks, that I think, that she thinks….”
That being said, you cant’ be a dummy either.
How would you respond to this question?
How would a typical young cute girl respond to this question? (Would there be a big difference?)
Chances are good that she’s a pet owner, but it could go the either way. If she’s a pet owner, she might just give you a straight up answer. You’re actually looking for her to not know where a pet store is, but interested in hearing about the pet store. (it’s a gamble in my mind)
Feeling wise, how invested can she be emotionally in helping you find a pet store? Especially if the emotional draw/personality value comes AFTER the question?
You’re asking for value from her, before giving her value. Why should she give you common courtesy? When you start running up on chicks, a lot of them are so ….angry…that they throw common courtesy out the window.
So how would I remix the Pet Shop Opener?
I’d pack more game into the opening question. I’d give her something that *statistically* she might care about.
Chick Crack.
“Net Game” used to talk about chick crack. This was stuff like personality tests, psychology quizzes, astrology, palm reading, body language cues, pop culture…et cetera. You talked about things that they knew about, or were in to, to get the conversation really going.
Really Old School PUA would be about mirroring them. Getting their values and quietly becoming the asshole boyfriend.
Newer School PUA reversed. I don’t want to be like her, I want her to be like me. I’m not going to turn myself into what she wants (or says she wants), she’s going to become what I want.
So with chick crack, old school would talk about Beyonce or Real Hip Hop ATL and vibe with the girl, and New School would talk about it and then disqualify themselves because the chicks liked Nene or whoever is on that show. Or something like that.
So taking these two things – chick crack and remaking a chick into your image – you update the new school Pet Shop opener by starting the pet shop opener with a bit of a challenge.
“You look like a dog/cat/animal lover….” (a cold read that begs the question)
“Hey are you cat kinda girl or a dog kinda girl” (a question that’s easy to answer, and one that everyone has an opinion on)
“OMG, total emergency, do you know of a 24 hour pet store…… See my Ex’s ferret got out of the cage, and I can’t find him…I was thinking that i’d rent a ferret..” (the drama of an ex girl friend…”
Rhetorical Hater – “Isn’t this a bit contrived? A ferret? Really? Are you wearing a fuzzy hat?”
Asking a girl about a pet store is the height of contrivance. It’s totally artificial.
But it opens. And when you’re starting out, until you get the rhythm of conversation and how girls typically respond TO YOU, using some tried and true routines are good training wheels. Once you get the rhythm, you can basically use your own stories and punch them up, and drop them whenever you need to.
