Author: Archie

So the context of this post is from one earlier today over at McQueen’s.

Potna is running into the issue of how to deal with the amount of rejection

Here’s what he gets from my long ass post

“So keep on reframing.

“I like how quiet you are.”

That’s one way if she’s not reacting to your rap.

But a player is still thinking in terms of getting her to react. Because I can tell you right now, that line may or may not get reaction. When it fails to work, when you can’t provoke a chick into reaction, you’ll go into the emotional spiral that comes with repeated rejections during the night.

You can’t keep looking for new lines to reframe her misgivings and lack of interest.

I’m saying is that you need to shift your own mind.

Right now a lot of players are approaching with the intent of getting a reaction. Humor, physical stuff, cold reads, generally looking good – but it’s about her in most of those instances. And that stuff is necessary. It’s vital. You don’t need a six pack and memorized every routine known to man to get laid. Those things can assist you on changing her frame of reference.

But the problem  I’ve outlined above says to me that you need to change your own frame of reference.

You need to run game on yourself.

When most guys give advice on how to deal with repeated rejection, cats will say,

Why so serious?

Be Cool

Relax

Better than telling you what NOT to do, I’m trying to give you something you can do.   Action is better than inaction.  Doing something is better than trying to stop yourself from doing something – especially in these early stages.

When you try and chill, you’re inactive, but your mind dwells on stuff.

When we’re not talking about women, when we talk about sports this is what guys refer to as inner game.  Inner game has gotten a bad rap, because very few people who use the term actually read the book.   Inner game is not some woo woos shit. These chicks don’t give a fuck about your self image and instances of childhood psychological trauma, lol.

Just like you can see someone and tell they have something on their minds – a chick can tell when you’re “trying to be cool” A dog can sense that from your body language. Is your jaw kinda tight when she teases your pudge?  Boom – her comments are affecting you and it’s showing up in how you literally hold yourself.  Your muscles, your pace, your breathing

Part of the game to get over approach anxiety, to handle rejections, is give yourself a new mental model. That changes your frame. Then when the rap is going nowhere with a chick, you attempt to change her frame, and she’s still not biting – you’re nonplussed. Her failure to come into your vibe isn’t affecting your vibe. You aren’t crushed.

That lets you step to the next chick, or just stay on the one that’s not biting…yet

I’ve said this before.

You will run out of moves.

Every night, every encounter, something new will pop up, that you don’t have the answer for.

Most guys scour the forums for answers to specific situations. That “find a new line” mentality keeps them at the basic level with inconsistent bangs but an unsettled persona.

What we’re trying to get to is internalization.
Where you know what to do, because you’ve done it. So game ends up being something that you actively do,

-Archie

Let’s assume it’s early in your courtship, defined as within the first three encounters.

A quick aside on romance timetables

The old industry standard was romance by the end of the third date. That was the mark of a decent guy. The 00’s era pick up standard is seven hours of face time, cumulative.   They soon discovered that you could get a connection in far less time, but the effect of applying psychology for seven hours was to get far more than a brief interlude.  If you had emotional value past the physical, you had a good shot at doing more than the typical. How that played out for various celebrities we’ll talk about in a different post.

In this age of Fresh Direct and Netflix and Chill, with atrophied social skills and a degradation of culture and morals, even on a first night “connection”, a man might not get a second opportunity for connection much less be able to build something more substantial.

Back to the question

Chick is feeling you, and wants to go do something.  Wait hold up a second.

An aside on event dates in the modern age

Often these girls are nominally interested in “cool” Instagram worthy activities. She wants to “check in” at some hot spot. Again, for players my age (40+) this is NEW behavior. These chicks that are 18-22/23-26 are doing something different in terms of dating. You’re even more of an accessory in the life that is her movie. Topic #2 of things to explore in later posts.

Back to the lecture at hand

A dating expert *cough female cough* or a guy who thinks he can deduce his way into romance thinks of three options

1. If she asks, she pays
2. Split
3. He pays

And if you know nothing about game, these seem like three obvious options. So just based on this square way of thinking you’ll decide.

But where does that lead a guy?

She pays? She might get offended, and guys believe in the tight rope of game, where any little breeze will knock him off.

She pays? Is it because you’re secretly broke? DLV Bro! *demonstration of lower value

Split?  You’re either cheap or broke.  Better to be broke.

You pay? Simp! (lol) A girl might punish you for agreeing to her frame and investing in the interaction.  She could be turned off, which is an extreme reaction to your “kindness” and “generosity”. More likely is that you’ll be slotted into the provider role, and she’ll keep asking for more.

That’s why a square mentality gets a player fucked up. He has no good options when the question is framed that way.

This is not a pay for play site.

This is not a site that believes in dead end philosophies like “You pay either way, directly or indirectly, with cash or with time”

When it comes to cash, the player uses cash judiciously, and primarily for logistics, facilitating action, expediting things.

He rarely uses cash to attract, because in most situations in the West, cash repulses.  Let me be clear, cash doesn’t attract the girl in the right headspace for our interests.  She might want to bang, hoping to secure provisioning (see Seeking Arrangement secret threads) – but it’s not because she’s dying to hop on your truth.

So like I always do, let’s break down the scenarios where a girl you haven’t connected with suggests a place, and creates this tension about who pays?

Some of my initial questions

• How much money does she make?
• How old is she?
• How old are you in comparison up her?
• How feminist?
• What kind of money are we talking about?
• How many other chicks in your rotation?
• How badly do you want this chick?
• How good is your one on one game?
• Do you live in a place where you can be seen, recognized?
• Culture?
• Social consequences?

That’s what comes to my mind, and hopefully it will start coming to your mind as well.   Because this site isn’t about tactics.  Gambits and techniques changes – psychology largely stays the same.

I’ve been on other forums where guys are being cheapskates in South East Asia.  Funny how they couldn’t get quality in the states. Wonder if that’s related? (LOL)

Once we have those questions in our mind, now what?

The goal of this style of game is to use common scenarios to show value. You want to use your knowledge of culture, typical female logic and interests, as well as her psychology,, human psychology, to get closer to your goal of connection.

On a personal

EE stripper student I’ve dealt with
– Third world/ee mentality – mercenary
– Old school mentality – man pays, woman loves
– Money makes her wet – typical Russian chick that cares about labels. Used to being used by older men

Average American chick with a job?
– She suggests drinks or dessert, cool. Trivial
– She wants Red Lobster or Benihana’s and fixes her face to ask me that before we bang – I made a mistake somewhere along the way.

Fresh off the boat Chinese chick
– If her purse is a fake, and she likes a lot of cute stuff – she is often the worst of both worlds – expects you to pay, but not sexually/culturally mature.  The type of chick that believes in true romance like the movies.

Where I’m Coming From

I have gainful employment, so I’m not trying to find ways to get out of paying. I’m also very secure on who I am, so it’s not about appearing like a square.

So what is my thought process?

I will pay or not pay, or use the situation in order to get my desired end.

My style of game is about getting as much value out of a situation and getting as much investment on her part. Both options can get me what I want.

So let’s take some typical cases, where it’s not clear on the surface how to respond.

Scenario #1 –

Assume – You make a little bit more money than the girl, the same, or slightly less. The money could be spent, but you’re not reaching for your pockets when the check comes.

The easiest work around is, you pay, but you expect her to contribute.  It’s not that you need her money, it’s that to get closer, she needs to invest.

“You got cash for the tip?”

Take me for ice cream -> which can easily parlay into, let’s go to the store and get some ice cream, let’s eat the ice cream in your fridge.  in any of these ice cream scenarios, you move her around, chance to build trust, show social proof, and get closer to good isolation. The ice cream scenario can easily lead to spoon feeding, spooning…you know the rest.

So you can do dinner the player way.

Scenario 2 – The Big Outlay

What about tickets to an event when you haven’t connected?

She wants to see Kanye or maybe some less extravagant act

You’re going to have to shell out, and there’s a possibility, that she could cancel at the last minute.

There is no situation I can think of where this is a lock.  This is definitely a gamble.    And this is a Vegas bet, she’s the house, so there’s a good chance that you’re going to lose. You lose either in that there is no bang, she does bang  you…her new provider boyfriend, or you balk and she walks.

We’re trying to avoid gambles.

Be out of town or something.  Or the night of, FLAKE.

“Aw man, client came through at the last minute, sorry baby”

And these are just a few situations.

WIA

I interpret anything said to me by a female stranger as her attempt to pull me. In general, girls just don’t randomly talk to men that are strangers.

So the useful fiction here is that girls do not go around giving compliments to strangers, I then must be special.

I assume she’s in to me.

Making that assumption lets me be in the right frame of mind to connect. And interpreting her actions as positive towards me, often changes the tenor of the encounter.

That’s not always the case, but some assumptions help you to take action. And new players usually need to take action more than observe or delay.

So assuming the positive and the positive pushes me to act…

Experience has taught me that anytime a chick initiates a chat, she *still* wants any romantic chat to proceed as if she was the buyer. (Like you approached her, and she’s in her normal judging mode)

The typical guy assumes that it’s in the bag, so he doesn’t give her the pleasure of flirting.

That’s a mistake.  There are guys in this for the chase, and guys in it for the kill.  More often than not, these chicks are in it for the chase.  Cause they don’t hunt, they farm, they go to the grocery store, they have other people pay for food.

Failing to play a little bit of back and forth, let her win you over is one of the ways good looking guys don’t pull chicks that get the balls to approach.

A key thing to remember is that in her mind, your looks are supposed to give you a certain character, certain behavior.  If you look a certain way, she expects you to behave that certain way,  to complete the fantasy.

The idea that if you look good, you must be good (and her idea of good is “skewed) –  is a well known psychological concept called the halo effect.

His visual is supposed to correspond with the behaviors that she desires.

And in my experience, the behaviors tend to matter a great deal.  Indeed, if you can give her the behavioral experience she craves – she starts to test you to see if you’re real deal – and when you pass those tests – attractions goes through the roof.  When the attractive behavior carries over from word into deed – that’s the congruence guys are looking for.

Visual attraction has to be very high if the guy doesn’t push the right emotional buttons.  It has to be entirely about his genes in such a situation.  (Fame is another  one of these things that works despite poor behavior)

In Practice

As a rule, I don’t verbally acknowledge the compliment, nor do I respond with a typical compliment – which is what good manners aka socialization tells you to do.

I might nod/smile to accept the compliment, and then launch into something that I’m thinking about right then and there. And talking to her like you know her, like you’ve already been intimate, like you can share some inside joke – that *demeanor* can build trust and attraction. A chick will jump into that role because it’s one that she knows well.

That’s when the game really starts. Because I take her compliment as an opportunity to play. And I want to know if she’s going to be fun to play with.

In general, people are weird about words. And adding words to a set of actions can give actions different meaning. “I’m you’re boyfriend”, “I love you” – are the two biggest ones that come to mind. Saying “Hello”, or calling someone “ma’am” can start a cascade of predictable behaviors.

So if she says “Nice Shoes”

• non-verbally acknowledge her statement
• take it as an invitation to play
• and then play with her

-Archie

I don’t really get involved in these internet beefs.

But the best commentor on Rollo’s blog is an old school PUA that goes by the name Yareally.

Reposting this in case it gets deleted

Weird, I haven’t posted in this thread at all and it’s still full of petty snark, guys insulting me, condescension, misrepresentation of everyone’s points, and no one actually talking about Rollo’s article. The RSD videos and I are CLEARLY the problem around here. But don’t worry, this’ll probably be my last post.

@Rollo
Tyler made a video just for you specifically, I time-stamped it at 1:25:27 so no one wastes their time on this useless advertising content:

He’s extending an invite if you want it. Can you make it to 1:28:28 without turning it off? Because I bet you turn it off after the first 30 seconds cause you’ll interpret his first sentence as an attack and the ego-sting and negative assumptions of his intentions you’ll make won’t let you listen to even this little 3 minute snippet lol Try making this 3 minutes the ONE bit of RSD content posted in the last few years that you actually watch.

Compare what he’s saying in that video to your behavior in the last thread and this entire thread (from the dozens of Tyler quote-mines (which take seconds to google but paragraphs to explain the ACTUAL context behind and just result in receiving a reply of more random quote-mines to defend the context of because you don’t actually WANT a discussion, you’re just petty shitposting at this point the same way Jezebel will probably do with your work someday…note that when I reply to people I reply to their entire posts line by line instead of quote-mining one thing out of context to misrepresent them, that’s why my posts are huge), to the taking joy making fun of Mystery’s depression (tell us again how you totally care about men…or at least the ones that agree with everything you say, right? Same thing SJWs/Feminsts do, care about you while you’re in the club but too much wrongthink and you’re out! Hopefully he kills himself so you can use it as an advertising point to brag about how much better TRM is than PUA some more, and yes, we notice how shitty what you’re doing is but no one wants to say it out loud because we keep hoping your emotional tantrum will end and you’ll go back to being a cool chill respectable OMG instead of embarrassing yourself like this), to the taking INSANE levels of over-reactive butthurt offense to people who aren’t even talking shit to you (as Scray and I have explained over and over), just because some people don’t agree with everything you write (what, RSD Luke didn’t fully approve of 100% of your writing?? BLASPHEMY!! He must be trying to destroy his competition!! He said Tony Robbins is cool so they must have a paid deal, it couldn’t be that he found value in Tony’s work and found some problems in mine!! It couldn’t just be that maybe your writing isn’t 100% perfect in the eyes of guys who go out regularly and test shit, just like I and the other guys who go out and test your ideas have been pointing out over the years (but hey, you don’t need to learn anymore, you’re 14 years in, you’re the TEACHER now, everyone stand at the bottom of the mountain and just listen to your wisdom, and whatever you do don’t watch those RSD infields that make you ask questions, just trust me that you can’t get into VIP service despite most PUAs who go out and practice that can do it and explain how they do it step by step), to attacking PEOPLE instead of their IDEAS (you can’t argue the stuff we show, so you resort to trying to attack the person explaining it hoping that people will disregard their content if you can slander them enough, standard SJW/Feminist tactics), to now jumping on the “RSD is all fake infield, paid actresses, paid models” which just shows that you don’t go out and actively do pickup for you to think the footage they get would HAVE to be paid actresses to get (and if you do decide to start going out and testing this stuff, record it so people can link your videos instead of Evil Manipulative RSD’s Free Content That Brainwashes Incel Newbies)

Although hey, if we’re going to point at Mystery and laugh that how he behaves (what an idiot suffering from depression lolol guess he shouldn’t have done that PUA trickery shit, everyone at RSD will probably kill themselves because PUA = makes you depressed and suicidal according to Rollo now that PUA doesn’t agree with some of his ideas) represents the end result of what he teaches…then flipping that around and applying it to the OMGs here, you guys act like petty gossiping 15yo girls just shitting on everything that isn’t a part of your clique. And you guys are in your 40s+. You think any of this thread is “role model alpha male” behavior from you guys? That ANYONE is reading these comments thinking “I want to be like these guys quote-mining Tyler and trying to tear people down and condescend and insult them and get butthurt sensitive and over-reactive to any criticism anyone gives me”? lol I mean is the behavior you guys are displaying in this thread the end result of your guys’ OMG teachings? Because the end result leaves a lot to be desired. I encourage anyone reading this to go back to the start of this “The Unbearable Rightness of Being Female” and read the comment section, this has been a beautiful display of high-value OMGs being super high-value lol

I can guarantee you if any of your marriages fell apart, or you lost access to your kids etc, guys like Mystery and Tyler finding out about it would be the first to say “shit, that sucks dude” and offer help/support instead of laughing and pointing their fingers at you to discredit your books and you as a person. But THIS behavior is the real OMG STATUS(TM)(TM) of real boss successful older men that we should all want to aspire to be. How about you one of you badass inspiring OMGs DEMONSTRATE this Red Pill mastery you have and shoot the guys some Rollo books or open the lines of communication? Whoops, wouldn’t want to do that with the “competition”.

And of course, as expected, I’m now being painted as a guy who just manipulates naive incels despite repeatedly encouraging them to think for themselves and disregard what Tyler or myself says and go out and test it for themselves (what reason would I even have to spend my free time trying to, what, build a cult, for all the no products I don’t sell?). And painted as a guy who says “ONLY LEARN EXTERNAL GAME NEVER EVER LEARN INTERNAL GAME EVER IT’S USELESS GARBAGE EXTERNALS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT MATTER” when I’ve REPEATEDLY said (go ahead and check my archive) that a balance is necessary and the two feed into eachother and build eachother and that newbies are easier to teach when you give them externals to work on so they can gain some positive feedback to start building better internals with and then the pendulum swings back and forth as they grow and progress), and that I’ve apparently said hobbies are all a waste of time (lol no, I said climbing mountains doesn’t trigger sexual attraction in women, subcomms trigger sexual attraction and climbing a mountain might give you some decent subcomms but you’ll get more relevant subcomms faster by sarging, and that you should only hyperfocus on game (not pussy, GAME, there are nuances in that) for a period so you can get a good start on this and then do all that other hobby shit and balance yourself out (which is what PUAs including RSD have been recommending for YEARS). And painted as a guy who hates all the women I’m with when I’ve said no such thing and am perfectly happy and have been for years and have talked about that repeatedly (it’s all in my archives) and choose not to get into deeper relationships because I have other shit going on in my life and I enjoy the variety. And painted as a guy who said ignore everything the OMGs or TRM ever says (which is retarded, scray has pointed out multiple times that we’ve praised these guys and the writing on TRM but are just pointing out that there are nuances and better ways to reach and help men digest these concepts besides talking AT them) and insulted them all (the only thing I ever said that was even close to ACTUALLY offensive was “your post-wall wives aren’t 10s in the SMP” and that’s just an inarguable reality, sorry guys, but Blax & crew got ego-butthurt over that interpreting that as me saying their wives are all ugly shit). And painted as a guy with bitter incel baggage (lol no I was just a social retard, I hang with lots of Naturals I don’t resent them, that’s projection from anyone who thinks that that’s my mentality lol). And all the discussions we’ve had will be painted as “he was clearly wrong and we were clearly right” even though that wasn’t the case at all, but guys know no one will go through my archives and actually read for themselves so they’re free to rewrite history.

For anyone who hears about all the “horrible” things I do and am, feel free to look through my archive and see for yourself how much of this will be history being rewritten by the TRM hugbox.

Haven’t decided if I’m leaving but I’m too tired to keep putting up a fight right now because of the time investment involved in these 10 VS 1 fights…now that Rollo himself has joined in the doggypile and is finally showing how anti-PUA in general he is, there’s no way I can really compete with that. First it’s deleting my content without warning like he’s already done, then it’s joining the shitposting doggypile (no discussion, just memes and quote mining and misrepresentation and side-tangents and character assassinations) like this thread, then it’ll be editing my content to remove or rewrite things I’ve said to make me look dumb, then it’ll be a flat out ban and doxxing me, I know how this works I’ve seen forums get censored by angry hosts before (reddit & spez most recently). Posting here is a massive net negative for me when I have to spend 90% of my posts just defending myself or some Tyler quote-mine or a bunch of snark and worry about my posts being deleted, censored, edited, etc and navigate a minefield of OMG emotional feels-triggers just to explain to Hank “hey, here’s how to make out with that girl you talked to”…Talking game is a fun hobby but I know when to call it a night, and that’s when the host of the site himself is on full attack of me, every PUA instructor (except the ones he approves of, I’m sure another “brilliant” Krauser revelation of concepts that have already been mapped out in full, will be the topic of another article), the PUA community in general, and PUA as a system (the view here now is the same view Jezebel has of PUA, talk about a plot twist lol).

It’s clear that PUA is just garbage parlor tricks to the guys here, their true opinions are finally coming out in this thread and the last one. Quite frankly it’s nice to see Rollo FINALLY being honest about what he ACTUALLY thinks about PUA, I noticed glimpses of it over the last 6 months even though he tries to stay out of the fights. He doesn’t WANT to start a Field Report board guys, and he KNOWS it. He doesn’t give a shit about FRs, FRs just risk him having to revise some of his ideas when guys go out and disprove stuff like “looks don’t matter” or bring out more material for the OMGs to argue isn’t happening out there. If he was as honest as the OMGs brag about with all their honor and integrity shit, he would just say “look, fuck off PUAs, I don’t want your shit here, I don’t even think it works or is legitimate and will just make you all suicidal so I don’t want discussion of it here, or for men to see information that might turn their lives around (as many men have admitted), I’m busy building a Brand(TM) and you PUAs are fucking it up”) Just be honest dude, it’s your blog you can do whatever you want, be your own MPO, you don’t want to help men that way so why keep pretending? So no one says anything bad about you or the TRM Brand(TM)? The guys who write FRs won’t sit around hating on you for it the way you invest this much time hating on Tyler, Mystery, Luke etc, they’ll just be a little disappointed in seeing behind the curtain, like I am. Even Scray won’t shit on the Brand(TM) if you don’t start an FR section (because he LIKES TRM despite what your ego-butthurt overreaction of his opinion is), so go ahead and just tell everyone you don’t want to do it. Follow your own advice and just own your feelings dude.

That’s what deleting my VIP clubgame RSD video was about (that I posted entirely to help the guys going out that night, I had no idea Rollo even viewed a content-heavy video like that that doesn’t even mention bootcamps or products, as advertising, you can read the original post and see I tagged everyone and was excited to share just GOOD USEFUL INFORMATION for them to apply), Rollo has been trotting out his “I really appreciate YaReally and the PUAs for their infield experience that balances out my theory” feel-good PR line for the sake of the Brand(TM) for months when in reality he’s been fucking STEWING about this shit and that VIP game video (that he didn’t even watch, as he demonstrated last thread equating VIP in the middle of a club with no rope with VIP cabanas lol) triggered an emotional butthurt reaction because I guess Luke didn’t praise his work enough and he assumes anyone RSD praises must have marketing deals etc to scam and manipulate naive incel newbies with, and Rollo finally let the calm cool Red Pill image slip and lashed out emotionally instead of having a reasonable adult discussion about it (like the rest of us would have expected from him, that’s why everyone was like “dude wtf??” in that thread…I mean what happened to all your boss internals that are so important and all you OMGs have dude? Does TRM’s teachings create over-reactive ego-invested old men who get butthurt on the internet?? Guys who hold their real opinions back pretending they aren’t mad when they’re fucking STEWING at every FR or RSD vid posted? lol I certainly wouldn’t say that TRM causes that, I think TRM is fucking GREAT and as I’ve said since day one it should go hand in hand with PUA and personally I’m GLAD the RSD crew is finally looking at TRM and hope the rest of the PUA community does too, as a great supplement to PUA…but going by YOUR logic that you’re using to discredit PUAs now, well, apparently how you act represents the inevitable end result of what you teach…quite the precedent to set, if your marriage happens to fail do we just throw out your 5 years of writing here? Personally I wouldn’t say that that’s fair or makes any sense but you’re the one setting the precedent during your emotional tantrum right now). But Rollo didn’t expect that so many guys ACTUALLY got use out of the RSD vids because he’s never actually WATCHED them (“Do RSD have any videos NOT in a nightclub or street at night?” yes, fucking dozens, I’ve been linking them for years but thanks for showing that you really DON’T look at them, confirming that you don’t ACTUALLY do any research…until you need to quote-mine to try to cast shade on Tyler and discredit his teaching the same way you’re doing with Mystery now).

I’ve been attacked ever since I got to the Manosphere and it’s never really bothered me because I know it’s just a lack of understanding what I’m saying or not having enough reference experience to understand it (because a lot of the Manosphere doesn’t actually sarge, they just observe and extrapolate and rely on old memories etc), and I’ve helped enough Blue Pill guys digest the Red Pill to understand the rabid pushback that causes when you challenge their FI-conditioning…but it’s ramped up in the last year when I started bringing up things that the guys here REALLY don’t want to confront or question because it would reveal that they’re still pushing FI-conditioned beliefs and haven’t fully swallowed the Red Pill the way they think they have. And even that wasn’t a big deal, but now that the host of the site himself will be fighting me at every turn and spamming 20 quote-mines a day to try to respond to, I’m just tired and I’m sure after this post I won’t be welcome here anyway lol With me gone, Scray, Hank, etc will end up getting the brunt of what I’ve put up with in every thread over and over because the clique will shift it’s 14yo girl bullying tactics to them without a nice big red YaReally target to shoot at. Best of luck guys to you guys lol

Like Scray says (you’re slaying this whole thread btw I lol’ed my way through the entire thread with each of your logical obliterations of this silly wordplay/semantics/feels game they keep using lol amazing to see your progress compared to when I first threw some advice your way on CH, now that I’ve FULLY BRAINWASHED YOU YOU NAIVE INCEL FOOL lol): boil everything you non-PUAs think about how this stuff works down past the woo-woo feels-based platitudes and fortune cookie wisdom you spout and the distilled result of it will look exactly like what PUA teaches. Just like Blax with finally understanding social pressure when he was 100% adamantly convinced I was full of shit because he doesn’t look past his solipsistic woo-woo feels arguments and as a Natural he can’t ever be wrong about anything (except stuff his ego isn’t directly attached to). 90% of you wouldn’t even disagree with what we’re saying if you stopped and looked at what we were actually saying because half the time we aren’t even disagreeing. PUA is just the boiled down nuts & bolts that everyone discovers when they spend enough time testing shit and pushing the boundaries.

I fully expect this comment to be deleted, edited, quote-mined and misrepresented, whatever. It’s not like anyone trying to descredit PUAs will be too busy being infield tonight to spend their night doing that lol Props to the guys who’ve taken up PUA. Keep at it and use your own discretion about what’s helpful or not helpful and understand that someone can have both useful and not-useful advice and you should test everything to see for yourself what holds up under pressure-testing. Don’t be a LARPer thinking that sitting in your computer chair shadow-boxing and reading theory adequetly prepares you for the MMA octagon. Get out there and take some hits and don’t trust anyone who acts like they don’t take hits or treats you like you’re too stupid/naive to think for yourself and disregards your life experiences and, when they can’t relate to you, treats you like YOU’RE the problem instead of their ability to teach and dismisses you instead of learning to relate to you…cause you’ll get that same treatment from the Blue Pill world. Think for yourselves and do your research to form your own opinions like a rational male. And to anyone who discovers my archive, enjoy the content, but go apply it or it will be worthless in the longrun for you.

And now because it’s Friday night I’m gonna go shower up and get ready to use a bunch of manipulative tricks that don’t work except on worthless bar sluts who mean nothing to me after sex before I cry myself to sleep about how empty my life is compared to the OMGs spending their Fridays making fun of suicidal/incel/value-giving men while I desperately hope no one looks beneath my shallow fake-it-until-I-kill-myself surface to see the depressed suicidal void in my soul that I can only fill by collecting my next BIG PHAT TYLER ROYALTY CHECK from posting that RSD video above. Have fun character assassinating me lol ❤❤

Fuck it.  It’s my site, I’ll write whatever I want to.

Over at the forum, them boys talking about the pointlessness of routines.

I beg to differ.

I’ll totally agree that a routine like the Cube is overkill for just getting a chick in bed.

But stuff like the Cube, 3 Animals, Strawberry Fields – it’s more than just ego stroking for the player.

Part of the game is giving the chick the “feels”.

More than just making her feel like she wants to fuck, but mad, angry, happy, laughing, she wants to pee, sad, confused, tension relieved, etc

The reason you do this is that if she’s wearing a sheer top, and she catches a draft of hot air, her nipples harden. That causes a biological response in her that leads towards sex.  So she has to self-regulate.

She’s very good at self regulation, when there’s only *one* thing coming at her.  One thing that she can recognize and understand.

Magicians and Comedians like to throw all these things at the audience – because it weakens their defenses.  Getting stimulated from all different directions – girls go out to loud, dark, smoky, dance clubs for THAT REASON.

It’s not just the punchline, it’s the set up, the pledge, it’s the mannerisms, the pauses. They not only deepen the effect of the punchline, but the effect can stay with you for years.

When you strip down routines to the core, a lot of them operate the same way.

But without the salient details, you get sub-optimal results.  Maybe not sub-optimal, you get different results.  It’s ordering the first thing on the menu without turning the page.  It’s dumping a bottle of hot sauce

Let’s say you do the palm reading shit as a joke, and it’s really an excuse for compliance and kino.

Cool, no problem.  She’s attracted, touch barrier is broken, play the comfort game well, handle the uber, and you’re fucking.

Let’s say you do the palm reading stuff seriously, and you do the life line, love line, # of partners….

All shit she’s probably heard before…but say you “notice” something “peculiar”, and then immediately clam up.

You try and change the subject to whether Khloe Kardashian is meant to be single.

“Wait a minute, what did you see…”

Her interest in you, her willingness to comply has shot through the roof.

What was funny ha ha, is no longer a joke.

You’re not going to get that with half-assing the routine.

You’re certainly not going to get that by just doing the “routine” outline.

If you’re just looking for some fun that night, you don’t need all the technique and nuance.

But the whole point of 7 hours, elaborate routines, feather boas was not just to put your dick in a chick.

It was to capture her.

Even on the PUA boards that have guys that were there to see all of this happen – they don’t think like this anymore.

It’s all about minimum effective doses, the least game possible, EFFICIENCY, minimalism, low to no effort.

To be honest, it’s weird to me that game has devolved.   It should have evolved.  It should have gotten more ornate, more baroque.

But maybe that’s why the peacock isn’t running the planet.  All those details are no match for efficient killers.

To switch gears with a metaphor

I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase, “Information wants to be free” – which is used as a justification for piracy.  This music can’t be contained by your stupid copyright laws

But it was taken from this statement.

“It seems like there’s a couple of interesting paradoxes we’re working with here. That’s why I’m especially interested in what Bob Wallace has done with PC-WRITE and what Andrew Flugelman did before that with PC-TALK. On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it’s so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time.“

How the phrase is used now, is a shortened and entirely different way than it was used before.   They don’t mean the same things.

The meme is a de-evolution of the original.  It’s not even clear that people would understand this debate about information in 2016.

Stripping down old school pua/nlp/speed seduction/magician/comedian game into the moving parts – basically doesn’t get at what is possible.

What if you were thinking deeply about your game – and any chick you banged – you wanted her to bang you strictly for the sex.

Not just be her Fuck Buddy – but she’s penciling you in her calendar, dieting, exercising, doing kegels, working on her gag reflex at work – because she’s now approaching having sex with you like it was some grand undertaking.   Where she’s putting off important shit, because she’s got to finish working on her Wonder Woman costume for your planned activities on Friday night.

Or you when you meet her, you have you, her, and her girlfriend doing triple kisses  – and that lights a fire in her mind.  And then you go into some personality quiz about the “sexual fluidity”.

It’s not even really about the routines.  It’s about thinking about possibilities, and making them into realities.

-Archie

 

 

https://youtu.be/jtIQ5zfyPbU

About an hour

-Archie

In light of recent events, this blog will definitely shift focus.  I’m not going away from the game, far from it.  A change in regime means I actually need to fully invest in all forms of game.

I primarily talk about the following

• The Player’s Mindset
• The Lady’s Mindset
• Social Context
• One on One Game
• Group Game
• Night Game
• Cold Approach
• LTR Management

What I neglect, because it’s not my area of expertise or general experience

• Social Circle Game – specifically meeting people and building a social circle
• Raw Day Game – that insane run up on a chick game, or hang out in a coffee shop and hit on patrons.
• Lifestyle “Game” – the quotes should tip you off, I don’t put much stock in lifestyle as “game”.  At least not the rich playboy type of game that people think of.
• Internet Game – Using marketing techniques and a funnel to get dates, and then using one on one game during the date to build trust.
• Game outside of Romantic Contexts – We’ll get into this, as I plan on breaking down historical leaders.  There’s an interplay between you making a girl feel the roller coaster – and everyone else watching.  The chick in the sideline who’s rolling her eyes at you, changes her tune when some other girls really start to feel you.  Basically you don’t convince the skeptic – you find the true believers – and they convince your skeptic through sexual preselection and social proof.
• World Game

It’s this last one that I’ve been attempting to get a handle on this year.  But my day time commitments as a Intellect-For-Hire have kept me out of the World Game like I need to be.

So one of the homies asked me on the forum about how to break out for the girls that are kinda cute (he calls them 6’s) and into the 7’s and above.

Well you know just on that scenario, there’s a whole lot of things to break down…If he were talking about the North American context, and by extension the Anglosphere.   You can extend a lot of Game developed in Canada, LA, DC, Vegas, and NYC to the Australia, New Zealand, England, et cetera – because all the cultures basically draw from the same well in terms of “romance”.   There’s a huge cultural component of game that most American players deal with.

Now if you’ve been doing this as long as I have, and have stayed in touch with the “community” more or less – one of the things that everyone has noticed was that travel makes  your game better.

Having to connect with a woman who doesn’t speak your tongue or know to get you the Kola Champagne and not the Pineapple Soda is a challenge that most guys don’t really know how to handle.

Indeed, if you read the traveling players, a lot of them are getting over on 2 things

• Exotic Factor
• Western (i.e. rich) factor

Very brute force game.  And I prefer finesse.  But finesse in American game depends on you understanding social context, social cues, and how things are done.  What rules can be broken, must be followed, and can be done away with.

What World Game can teach you

• These broads are mostly the same.  They all want everything, even if everything isn’t good for them.
• Overall female behavioral cues

It’s this second one that makes your game better at home.  This latest generation of international players, have the money to go abroad, bang chicks with inelegant approaches, and then they have to come home and deal with culturally savvy chicks who see that these men aren’t even trying to learn the ropes.    The players of old came back from Mongolia with much better eye contact, noticing more of when a chick was responding by body language, how to close distance, and how to really build trust at the most basic level.

Whatever inelegant game the “old school pua’s” had in a foreign context, they learned to strip down and strip out cultural assumptions and get to the core.

Why is this important?  Why were they able to?  What does night game have to do with this?

Night game comes in 2 basic flavors.  Mostly Verbal and Mostly-Non-Verbal.  If you’re at a bar, even a loud bar, you can shout your way into a good situation.  If you’re at a concert or a mega-night club, the entire club is designed to overwhelm your senses.   You’re supposed to embrace the madness.  It’s essentially an orgy/a mob/a controlled riot.

That sort of thing is where good old American Night Club game intersects with World Game.

Back to other posts – this game “thingy” is about giving her feels.  And that’s true in every context.  What World Game can teach a player is how to focus on the sub-communications and the non-verbal game to give the girls feels.   And World Game has to be done in the context outside of being overwhelmed.

So that means my efforts to learn portable skills, which I got some decent mileage out of this year – go to the front burner.

It’s time to get out there.

-Archie

 

This was on the forum.   Here’s my expanded answer

Bumble bitch. Messages me. We chit chat. I ask for #. She says not till we meet because stalker in her past or some shit. I say ok. (first mistake no doubt).

So I continue to talk to her over the stupid app. Seems like playing into her frame. I say we should meet. She agrees. She then says coffee….which i absolutely hate for a date. But i agree because this bitch is hot.

So far I’ve been playing by her rules, again which I hate. Going to meet later today and need input on how to rapidly reset the frame so that I’ll be the one calling the shots if we ever meet again.

My take on the advice so far

1) Just Do Your Thing
– summed up as “it’s not an issue”
– not particularly practical or helpul

2) Lack of Frame
Basically you should just force the issue.

The problem with forcing the frame is that she hasn’t accepted it.
Trying to smash her into your world – ESPECIALLY A CHICK YOU JUST “MET” ONLINE – is a gamble and doesn’t address the problems in this scenario

3) Agree to her terms

Agree to her and then extend the date the way you see fit.

Somebody just put on their first pair of Gators!

Probably the best answer that handles some of the problems, even if it only frames this as a logistical problem.

[Ed. Hint Hint, it’s more than that that.]

The reason why guys don’t think of this answer is because

THAT BITCH BETTER DO WHAT THE FUCK I’M TELLING HER,
I’M THE MAN
BITCH BETTA RECOGNIZE…

Too much EGO leads to missing this solution.

This is not understanding your own psychology, or male psychology.

4) Agree to her terms/tour the town style date + “stop in” at your place

Takes the decent work around of #3, but then tries to sneak in some shit that she actually should expect, and would start flashing alarms.

5) Tease the chick about her situation but sandwich it with jokes

Teasing builds attraction by breaking rapport.

Is it possible that a few text messages can shoot your stock so high, change her mood and change her mind – Maybe. Anything is possible.
I write and persuade people for a living, so it could be in the cards…

6) Agree, Get Frame, Lead & don’t take her literally

Super strong answer. It’s like a better illustration of #3.

Other options that I wrote down at work, but didn’t actually make an appearance

7) FUCK THIS BITCH, SILENCE
8) Fuck you bitch, here’s why, BLOCK

Surprised there was no “take the Alpha high road” answers, which is what I expected to see a lot of.

What the veteran player sees?

In my view, the game is all about psychology
– Knowing your own – Why does her doing this make me so mad?
– Knowing what other guys do – What do other guys typically do i n
– Knowing what girls typically do – And this chick is not doing what they typically do
– Knowing what your particular chick is doing and how it fits into her particular psychology – This chick had a bad experience.  Baggage to deal with

What’s really going on in this scenario?

Let’s really break it down.

It’s a meet stemming from online
– In person, at a night club, you wouldn’t be going through this
– In the day time, she’d be able to give you a smell test and figure out if you’re bad news
– Social Circle would be ideal for her – because she can vet you through other sources. You just being in the same circle is almost enough.

So from jump, what kind of problem do you have?

Do you have a sex problem? No.
Do you have an attraction problem? No.
Do you have logistical issues? No

What you have is an issue of basic trust.

So this is what that Netflix and Chill Post #2 was about, my post in the player’s lounge about rapid trust building, and the thread about a girl wanting to google your name.

Chicks that act like this do not have trust. (This will be important, follow)

What about attraction?

Glad you asked.
– This is an online meet at first – so a girl that responds well, means that you at least have a decent social profile. Give yourself a +1
– The fact that this was Bumble – which is girls choose – means that you definitely have a face/body/style that she’s looking for.

What about your text game?

– I didn’t read anything about it. But I’m just going to assume you’re the typical RVF guy, and you only text logistics, thus your text game is weak.

MESSAGE.

Write a shit load more. Write as much as I do, and your text game will become a strength and not a weakness. Not something that you can fuck up. Something that you can use so that you can fuck.

What about your online game?
– Again, this is an online pull, and I don’t see where you used any thing aside from your Bumble profile to pull this chick.

Did you like your awesome webpage of amazing travels, yachts, foods, chicks, memes, and puppies?

I’m guessing not. But if you have group shots of you with people, some of which are attractive girls, then that’s a way to show social proof, pre-selection, which helps with attraction. And also can convey that other bitches are SAFE around you.

Right off the bat, you’re not using tools that are available to you.

That’s neither her nor there.

This, so far, has been all about you.

What about her?

This broad told you she has a stalker.
Two implications

1) Really bitch?
You have a stalker?
Like is he liking all your shit on Instagram?
He’s a stalker now?
Are you really that fine?
What the fuck are you doing on Bumble then?

An actually fine bitch has high quality offers IN REAL FUCKING LIFE.

2) Oh and you think *I’m* going to be a stalker?

That’s awfully presumptuous. Like I ain’t pumped and dumped finer bitches than you that gave me less of a hassle.

That’s whatever though.

In terms of game, what is she communicating to you?

She has enough attraction to come see you, but she does not TRUST you, or any man.

So that’s the real problem with this scenario.

She is telling you that she needs to build trust.

What happens when you build trust, comfort, and rapport AT A COFFEE SHOP?

You become her friend.
Her friends that are boys don’t fuck her.

She’s setting you up to fail.

She wants you to build trust first, not realizing her own psychology. MESSAGE.

So I just said you had attraction. This is perfectly in line with the sequence…right?

Let’s take a step back.

Before you can put P into V, you need 3 things.
– Attraction
– Trust
– Location

Classically, you build attraction first, and you build trust afterwards. And it all culminates at the final location.

But it’s better to think of Attraction, Trust, and Location as slider knobs on a studio mixer. You keep adjusting the sliders to get the right sound, no distortion.

To get the date, let’s say you need an attraction level of 2 and a comfort level of 2. (please you inboxing newbs, don’t get pedantic about the #’s shit. IT’S A METAPHOR not an EQUATION)

– 2 on attraction – she can be seen in public with you
– 2 on trust – you’re not going to kill her
– 0 on logistics (unless you can sneak her into the bathroom for a quick bang)

As the date progresses
– Attraction moves up to 5-6 – she’s hanging on to your every word, eating out of your hand, going along with role plays, she’s adopted your frame. She’s in to you.

– Trust moves up to 5-6 – she’s very cool with you moving her around, touching her non-sexually. You aren’t doing weird shit. If you grab for her hand, she gives it. But when she pulls away, you’re w/o reaction. No neediness, no bad reactions. She doesn’t need to be careful around you.

– Logistics are at a 3 (you’ve changed venues, and you could engage in some PDA – though a smart player wouldn’t)

As you get closer to the end of the date
– attraction level hits 10
– the trust is about an 8
– logistics are at 8-10 as well. So that’s the walk to your car, in your car, the walk up to your place, in your living room, with 10 being her on the bed naked in your bed.

I don’t want to get too deep into this metaphor, but there’s a tension between all 3. When one goes up, the others go down, or sideways.

Most notably, When she really wants to fuck attraction wise, and when she’s in the place where she can fuck – That trust level isn’t a steady riser from 8 to 10. That 8 might just sit there for a long ass time, so long that attraction (the dopamine and other chemicals coursing through her brain start to subside)

There is something about being so turned on, and being in a place where shit can go down where her brain is like “YO, WE’RE NOT SURE ABOUT THIS”

And that’s where the player really shines. It’s the most important part of the short game – and it happens WAY BEFORE you get her back home.

The game is played in comfort.
Is she comfortable with you, around you, having you put your P into her V.

The game is about TRUST.

Where the bangs fail to happen, is that you can’t get that trust level to 10.

So that’s LMR in a nutshell. You’ve got attraction and a place to bang, but not enough trust. She trusted you enough to come home – but there’s that final hurdle of trust that she just can’t jump. And it’s usually something that happened WELL BEFORE you got her back to your spot.

And if you have to pull out an LMR buster, the way that typically works is you withdraw attraction, and she has to buy into your frame. This is her giving in, as opposed to her tearing your clothes off, or enthusiastically wanting her to fuck you. I don’t want to get deep into the LMR discussion either.

I bring this up because if you take her on a “tour of the city” style date – it builds trust – each place you go – each person you talk to – builds TRUST.

The walking date also provides a “plot” to your date. (Everyone thinks in narratives. Every body is a star in their own movie)

Here the chick has you at 2/2/0 with this coffee date

To get the P into V, you need the trust to get to 10….

Here the logic is inverted.

She wants trust NOW. Not when she’s more attracted, not when she’s in a place where she can be “free”.

The veteran knows that her thinking brain, the mammal brain, wants this thing that her reptilian brain (the ‘gina) does not want.

We can talk about attraction theory if you want – but as any dude here can tell you – getting a chick to trust you to the level she seems to want – will more likely than not dry up the pussy.

What usually makes it wet is NOVELTY (most attraction technique is showing her novelty, not letting her get it when she wants it, putting her in a validation cycle, and adopting your frame and exchanging pussy and everything else for a the novelty of being in your life).

Novelty is the enemy of Security.
Novelty is the enemy of Trust.

Trust is usually known as comfort and rapport.
Attraction material, the better stuff in my view, is about BREAKING rapport.

Weak dudes seek rapport.  Players break rapport.

Players only seek rapport, after she INVESTS heavily.

So to get comfort, to get rapport, to get trust – you need to give her what she asked for.

And if a chick knows basically what to expect, and you meet her expectations – she’ll have the trust she needs.

She just won’t have the attraction.
Bitch…

Bitches secretly love this shit, even if they aren’t conscious of it.
From a male p.o.v, most broads are just problems for you to figure out, and
they love to make it has hard as possible.

So the walk around date is an option, especially if you come at it from the perspective that I NEED TO BUILD TRUST.
– paying for coffee
– having a plan to do something to afterwards
– interacting with customers, shop keepers, baristas – showing you’re social and normal
– guiding her through a crowd
– being decisive
– taking her to new places, and nothing bad happens
– taking her to new places, and you deal well with strangers
– taking her to new places, where people, girls esp, know you
– touching her, and then pulling back.
– showing some vulnerability, and getting her to volunteer it.

So you do the walkabout – with a purpose to get at the chick’s mind.

That’s the 1st strategy. She wants coffee shop, you pick one, and have an itinerary in line. The intermediate guy doesn’t just pick a centrally located coffee shop. The fail safe coffee shop is that if she flakes, you’ve got places to go.

The other options are more out of the box, advanced in nature.  But they get at the main issue she has.   She can’t really trust herself to make decisions.  I’ve touched on this with the “Girl wants to bring a dog, or girl has a dog” type posts.  Where the girl outsources her decision making to the dog.

A) Go to her fave coffee shop – charm the fuck out of everyone there. And have a plan.

B) Make her invite a friend – and then nip the trust thing in the bud – and charm both of them.

These options actually do what I would call a trust transference, a social safety blanket.  But they use the trust factors of TRUSTED third parties to reinforce that she should trust you.  Plus you get the added benefit of vetting her friend/friends to see if this is the type of chick you can stick your dick into, and whether she has hot friends that you can fuck on the low read The Bible with.

-Archie

Do you understand how this joke works?

There are a few players

• The Elephant
• The Cops who don’t want to see the elephant, and won’t let you get out of your ticket
• The Victim
• The Audience

So the crew/cops pull over the victim.  The victim thinks to herself that I must have done something wrong, or I haven’t done anything wrong.  The cop acts like a cop.

And then this pink elephant with yellow spots walks in the background.

Predictably, the victim tries to redirect the cop’s attention, but the cop being a cop is not falling for it.  When the cop finally does, the elephant is nowhere to be seen – thus proving that the cop was right not to believe the victim.

This cycles a few times, and the audience is the only one in on the joke.  The audience sees the humor, the exasperation, and frustration.

So the humor is really for the viewing audience, why do they then show the audience the shot of the victim seeing the camera?

Clearly when the victim sees the camera, there’s a huge sigh of relief that they experience – but the tension is also relieved with the viewing audience.

This is the sort of thing I think about when it comes to game.  How can I use these sort of social rules to make emotional impact on the girl.

At the theory level, this involves two sets, with your target girl being the audience.   You run your flim flam on some cute chick.  She’s tense, she’s bouncing around, and then you relieve the tension.  Your target sees this, and her own tension is relieved.

So there’s really not much more to it – and this is just coming at Group Theory/Pawn Theory from another angle.

-Archie