As I mentioned on the thread and over @ Rollo’s, I’ve been “trolling” reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/user/WIA20XX
These boys on Reddit need help. The Red Pill group is slightly better than the Seduction group, but they care more about “destroying feminism” than bagging chicks.
For the slow pokes – this is bagging chicks as simple as possible
- Continuous Self Development
- Finding the Right Places to Go
- Getting your own exit logistics sorted
- Meeting and Befriending Staff for two purposes – to not get thrown out, to have people to introduce the girl too.
- Spotting girls and assessing the situation
- Stepping Up and Getting Her Attention
- Whatever your attraction style is
- Handling the girls friends, obstacles, and her logistics
- Building Trust by introducing her to people (like the ones that work at the bar, see above) and moving around the bar, to new locations.
- A slight bit of arousal.
- Giving her a good excuse to leave with you.
- Leaving (see getting your logistics sorted out)
- Getting home, increasing the arousal, and finally
- READING THE BIBLE. (This is a family blog)
That’s it. That’s all it will ever be. Daytime, in Addis Ababa, Social Circle. The only thing that is considerably different is so-called online game.
And at the highest altitude, Steps 1-5 are about qualifying your prospect, advertising, selling your prospect in person, answering objections, and then finally closing. So it could look a lot like online game or sales, except the practical applications are different.
But these Seddit boys don’t want to hear it. They want to use some sort of magic trick to make the girl at the college library fall in love with them.
They get a number from a super excited girl, and then fail to realize she’s not gonna be super excited text from some random # that say’s “Sup”.
In that respect it’s been very instructive, cause I haven’t really rapped with young dudes just getting their feet wet in a long time.
If anything, online just pertains to Steps 5-7 of what you just laid out.
The really well done online game ran by Sourcecode (highly recommend his Tinder datasheet) exemplifies this well:
1) He has Steps 1-4 already down pat
2) He quickly pushes for the IRL meetup.
3) He handles Steps 8-14 with an almost frightening efficiency.
I believe that good online game is about “not fucking it up game” which is helped by moving as quickly as possible without seeming desperate/off-puttingly pushy.
As always, good post. Instead of the book, we should organize a Mexico trip. I need my thick latinas! Hahahaha.
If anything, online just pertains to Steps 5-7 of what you just laid out.
The really well done online game ran by Sourcecode (highly recommend his Tinder datasheet) exemplifies this well:
1) He has Steps 1-4 already down pat
2) He quickly pushes for the IRL meetup.
3) He handles Steps 8-14 with an almost frightening efficiency.
I believe that good online game is about “not fucking it up game” which is helped by moving as quickly as possible without seeming desperate/off-puttingly pushy.
As always, good post. Instead of the book, we should organize a Mexico trip. I need my thick latinas! Hahahaha.
Is PUA dead? Or just rebranded?
I think it’s dead to be honest.
How do you quantify “PUA is dead” Archie?
Do you mean the online and IRL communities that participated in open source seduction think tanking?
I know tons of people who were involved who now publicly and privately distance themselves from the term, but still practice the principles they learned while they were active.
Or is there another dimension you’d say was “dead”?
As you say in the post it’s easier to rant at feminists and commies, than it is to approach women when you haven’t built the skills yet. I still do that on bad days.
When we stop talking to each other, we go back to the dark ages.
PUA became a thing because guys traded information AND went out there and tried it.
That was the golden era of field testing and peer review.
Well, again I wonder if this is even possible in the era of post anonymity internet.
Now that just about everyone is online, and social media is tied to IRL identity and increasing surveillance, pressures for details and meet ups to weed out bullshiters (a real concern), all of this stuff conspires to keep budding PUA’s under the radar and off the net.
Don’t know if that tracks for you, and I’d be happy to hear ways around it.
So, given that there are certain challenges, how do we bring it back?
Very key point on texting girls.
They don’t respond to “Hey what are you up to?” until after you have fucked them.
These days, I am qualifying women, getting them to defend their choices in the places they party, how often they go out, etc.
Do a cold-read, make her feel understood.
Then you withdraw, turn away from her, as if you are thinking about something else.
She will try to keep the conversation going, if she is interested.
I 100% took this from you Archie, and it has worked wonders in terms of my ability to “know what to say” to a girl.
The point is after the initial opener and some rambling, women are trying to get me to say more. The dynamics have switched — she wants something from me.
Going back to texting…what I do is that I plant the seed that I party a lot. Maybe I’ll invite her to the next party my friend is throwing, if her and her friends are cool enough.
This is the general mindset that I have adopted, and it seems to cause girls to want to prove themselves.
So when Thursday night rolls around and I text a girl that I met last week, she remembers me as that guy that knows people who didn’t kiss her ass. That guy who she just couldn’t resist opening up to, that guy that just seemed to “get it”.
I am refining the technique, but it’s definitely better than my old days of running up on broads and telling them that I think they’re gorgeous.
I wasn’t speaking in terms of “the sky is falling, game is dead”
More or less “PUA” as a community seems dead. Doesn’t make the techniques any less effective – and perhaps PUA is more effective when you don’t have normies (god I hate that term) spamming “who lies more”
PUA collapsed under it’s own weight. IMO, on a large enough scale, PUA would destory a society in a couple of generations. I think thats why people have a gut level hatred for PUA because instinctively they know the damage it would do if adopted on a mass scale, even if they can’t articulate that.
As WIA points out – what’s good for society isn’t always good for you.
Being able to bag chicks and influence people will never die, so no worries there.
Unfortunately there aren’t many safe spaces (lol) left to discussion deep/advanced seduction techniques. Well see what the future holds.
@WIA – do you think Owen will ever reach the mainstream as a self help guru?
Oh no doubt. People hate on PUA partially because it allows a guy to “jump ahead” in the SMV pecking order to get what they can’t. They inherently feel it’s “dishonest.” Guy think it robs them of opportunities, and women feel it exploits them, both delusional.
The death of PUA communities might be a feature of web 2.0 where anonymity is near impossible and our smart phones snitch on us to the world governments.
He’ll be the “self help” guru for his own followers from pick up. At best.
That being said, Mark Manson successfully reinvented himself – and basically has nothing to do with his former PUA life. So anything is possible.